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yeah, putting people in concentration camp because of their religion does not seem to buy them much credit. Weird.

by malka 7y ago

DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
Most Chinese Muslims are not Uyghur. The Chinese government doesn't care about its citizens being Muslim per se. The issues are actually quite different - separatism and a string terrorist attacks that caused a government crackdown.
- Grue3 7y ago
  The fact that it's ethnic, and not religious discrimination makes it even worse.
  - humanrebar 7y ago
    You're on your own on that one. Religious discrimination is just as bad. And even if you disagree, plenty of basically ethnic has been justified by superfluous religious differences.
  - DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
    I don't know exactly what it's based on. It could be based on what websites people visit, or whether they attend mosques the government considers to be radical. The reporting on the issue leaves much to be desired.
- squiggleblaz 7y ago
  Separatism shouldn't be a crime, and the government crackdown is completely out of proportion with the terrorism that has occurred.
  - DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
    I agree on both counts, but the reality is that in China, politically agitating for separatism is going to get you in very serious trouble. I find that in Western reporting, the actual issues involved in Xinjiang are not discussed at all. Instead, it's presented as if the Chinese government had a problem with Muslims. The entire issue of separatism is rarely mentioned, nor is the fact that the largest Muslim group in China is actually the Hui (rather than the Uyghurs). The media is not really trying to inform the public about the situation and underlying conflicts (e.g., the East Turkestan movement), and instead painting a vastly dumbed-down, cartoonish picture that serves other propaganda interests.
    - goatsi 7y ago
      You might be interested to know that the Chinese government is also cracking down on the Hui: https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/763356996/afraid-we-will-become-the-next-xinjiang-chinas-hui-muslims-face-crackdown https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/763356996/afraid-we-will-beco... "All Hui-run nursery schools, child care centers and religious schools were forcibly closed in Ningxia and across Yunnan and Henan provinces, which are also home to a large number of Hui Muslims." "Imams in Henan and Ningxia must now attend monthly training sessions that can last for days. There, imams told NPR, they are taught Communist ideology and state ethnic policy and discuss Xi Jinping's speeches. Imams must then pass an exam testing their ideological knowledge in order to renew their license each year, mirroring how the government issues licenses to imams in the Xinjiang region."
      - DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
        That sounds roughly like how the Catholic Church is treated in China.
- markplindsay 7y ago
  The PRC's pressure on Muslims is hardly limited to Uyghurs. Please consider this recent NPR report ("'Afraid We Will Become The Next Xinjiang': China's Hui Muslims Face Crackdown") in Gansu and Henan: https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/763356996/afraid-we-will-become-the-next-xinjiang-chinas-hui-muslims-face-crackdown https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/763356996/afraid-we-will-beco...

yeah, putting people in concentration camp because of their religion does not seem to buy them much credit. Weird.

by malka 7y ago

yeah, putting people in concentration camp because of their religion does not seem to buy them much credit. Weird.

Most Chinese Muslims are not Uyghur. The Chinese government doesn't care about its citizens being Muslim per se. The issues are actually quite different - separatism and a string terrorist attacks that caused a government crackdown.

Grue3 7y ago
The fact that it's ethnic, and not religious discrimination makes it even worse.
- humanrebar 7y ago
  You're on your own on that one. Religious discrimination is just as bad. And even if you disagree, plenty of basically ethnic has been justified by superfluous religious differences.
- DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
  I don't know exactly what it's based on. It could be based on what websites people visit, or whether they attend mosques the government considers to be radical. The reporting on the issue leaves much to be desired.
squiggleblaz 7y ago
Separatism shouldn't be a crime, and the government crackdown is completely out of proportion with the terrorism that has occurred.
- DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
  I agree on both counts, but the reality is that in China, politically agitating for separatism is going to get you in very serious trouble. I find that in Western reporting, the actual issues involved in Xinjiang are not discussed at all. Instead, it's presented as if the Chinese government had a problem with Muslims. The entire issue of separatism is rarely mentioned, nor is the fact that the largest Muslim group in China is actually the Hui (rather than the Uyghurs). The media is not really trying to inform the public about the situation and underlying conflicts (e.g., the East Turkestan movement), and instead painting a vastly dumbed-down, cartoonish picture that serves other propaganda interests.
  - goatsi 7y ago
    You might be interested to know that the Chinese government is also cracking down on the Hui: https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/763356996/afraid-we-will-become-the-next-xinjiang-chinas-hui-muslims-face-crackdown https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/763356996/afraid-we-will-beco... "All Hui-run nursery schools, child care centers and religious schools were forcibly closed in Ningxia and across Yunnan and Henan provinces, which are also home to a large number of Hui Muslims." "Imams in Henan and Ningxia must now attend monthly training sessions that can last for days. There, imams told NPR, they are taught Communist ideology and state ethnic policy and discuss Xi Jinping's speeches. Imams must then pass an exam testing their ideological knowledge in order to renew their license each year, mirroring how the government issues licenses to imams in the Xinjiang region."
    - DiogenesKynikos 7y ago
      That sounds roughly like how the Catholic Church is treated in China.
markplindsay 7y ago
The PRC's pressure on Muslims is hardly limited to Uyghurs. Please consider this recent NPR report ("'Afraid We Will Become The Next Xinjiang': China's Hui Muslims Face Crackdown") in Gansu and Henan: https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/763356996/afraid-we-will-become-the-next-xinjiang-chinas-hui-muslims-face-crackdown https://www.npr.org/2019/09/26/763356996/afraid-we-will-beco...