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This is a life sentence which could impact your ability to support yourself. I imagine this could result in quite an impact on getting any job which requires dr

by gexla 7y ago

This is a life sentence which could impact your ability to support yourself. I imagine this could result in quite an impact on getting any job which requires driving. You should have options for getting this thing removed at some point.

rhacker 7y ago
I imagine this is for your personal car. A company car would probably not have this. Though, I would hope that companies that are paying you to specifically drive would skip the 2x DUI people.
- walrus01 7y ago
  it seems that a workaround for this for a somewhat wealthy or privileged repeat drunk driver would be to form a corporation, buy a vehicle, put some company stickers on the car, get company vehicle insurance. I'm sure you could pay a web developer a few hundred bucks to create a plausible looking company web page, register domain for it, set up email, have a whole set of letterheads for communicating with the relevant government authorities.
  - throwaway40324 7y ago
    This is very clever and made me laugh, but really, someone with two drunk driving offenses should just take the humble, honest, simpler path of being sober and blowing in the breath machine.
  - obituary_latte 7y ago
    Except, if I’m reading correctly, the restriction is on the offenders license and they are prohibited from driving any vehicle that does not have the lockout device.
- fredophile 7y ago
  I think it's a restriction on your license and applies to any car you drive. The company car won't have the device so the driver would not be able to legally drive it. This would be similar to how some locations make you do a road test with a standard transmission or you are only allowed to drive an automatic.
- Tharkun 7y ago
  Might not be a bad standard feature. We used to think seatbelts were stupid...
- gexla 7y ago
  What about gig work, such as driving an Uber?
- peteretep 7y ago
  > I imagine this is for your personal car The article states that you're not allowed to operate a car without one installed.
  - 6nf 7y ago
    You don't want repeat offenders of drink driving getting into professional driving jobs though right?
    - ShorsHammer 7y ago
      I've done some pretty stupid shit carwise in my youth and lost a few licenses along the way. Perhaps extrapolate your statement out to other forms of justice meted out by society and ask if you'd say the same about those crimes? I'd certainly hope I could get a driving job today if worse came to worse. I did my time and certainly paid my dues. Technically it's been long enough that my crimes are wiped off the record and I can legally not mention them to workplaces/authorities. It's very easy to demand heavy lifetime justice for everyone you don't sympathise with, a lot harder to make it fair and equitable to the longterm benefit of a society. I honestly don't understand how the US treats their convicted criminals, it's basically a life sentence in many respects.
      - 6nf 7y ago
        I guess soon it wont matter. When robots take over most driving jobs...
      - tehwebguy 7y ago
        You can drive drunk, get caught, get prosecuted and still get another chance. Just can’t do it twice, I think that’s fair.
        ShorsHammer 7y ago
        > Just can’t do it twice As in you can't ever drive again afterwards? I'm fairly honest here about my own failures in life, by this judgement do you think I should never be able to drive a car ever again? Most of my life has been living in places with absolutely no public transport, how exactly do I go to work as a middle aged person having being deemed unworthy of 60 years of no license because of being a young idiot once upon a time? Please go down this path and say what should happen
klyrs 7y ago
And for a province with a legal drinking age of 18, too. Seems onerous.
msh 7y ago
Then they should not have repeatedly broken the law.
hp49 7y ago
No! This is unforgivable \s https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/trudeau-sparks-outrage-with-plan-to-reintegrate-isis-terrorists-into-canada https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/trudeau-sparks-outrage-wit...
- nsgi 7y ago
  Why are you linking to Life Site News? That site is a joke and that article has nothing to do with this thread.
  - hp49 7y ago
    >That site is a joke Might be (first source that popped up). Does it make it untrue? The point is: One the one hand people are willing to forgive terrorists and reintegrate them into society, on the other hand you're forced to have a breathalyzer in your car for the rest of your life for drunk driving twice within ten years.
msl 7y ago
Getting hit by a car can be a death penalty, and drunk driving greatly increases the risk of causing an accident [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_under_the_influence#Risks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_under_the_influence#Ri...
tomjen3 7y ago
So could getting hit by a drunk driver. There was a case with a 14 year old girl here in Denmark who got hit and murdered by an ex teacher of hers who was super drunk and crashed into her in an intersection -- the impact was so bad it basically blew the bike a part. And it is the most stupid crime possible to commit, since the upside is so small and the downside so huge. Personally I would support an instant death penalty for drunk driving if I didn't think it would be abused, so yeah I am okay with somebody not being able to support themselves after murdering a 14 year old girl. I hope the starve themselves to death on the street.
- fiter 7y ago
  According to Wikipedia, the murder's typical sentence would be for 12 years. This suggests that your legal system believes people can chamge and have their rights restored. [0] In Denmark manddrab (manslaughter) is the term used by the Danish penalty law to describe the act of intentionally killing another person. No distinction between manslaughter and murder exists. The penalty goes from a minimum of five years (six years in the case of regicide) to imprisonment for life. The standard punishment for manslaughter - i.e. where there are neither aggravating or mitigating circumstances - is 12 years imprisonment.
  - paggle 7y ago
    12 years for killing someone is a complete joke. Kill someone at 26 and get out at 38? Fuck that. Glad I don’t live there.
wbronitsky 7y ago
Driving drunk is something we should have absolutely 0 tolerance for in 2019. It is nearly never mandatory, except possibly in a disaster, and should be punished according to the externalities it causes. In this case that is death, which is non-reversable. I, for one, find this to be a barely passable minimum punishment for two DUIs
- gambiting 7y ago
  Single DUI should be a 2-3 year suspension of the licence. Second DUI should be a driving ban for life.
astura 7y ago
I mean... If you have a history of multiple DUIs you're going to have an extremely difficult time getting a job that requires driving anyways.

by gexla 7y ago

rhacker 7y ago

I imagine this is for your personal car. A company car would probably not have this. Though, I would hope that companies that are paying you to specifically drive would skip the 2x DUI people.

walrus01 7y ago
it seems that a workaround for this for a somewhat wealthy or privileged repeat drunk driver would be to form a corporation, buy a vehicle, put some company stickers on the car, get company vehicle insurance. I'm sure you could pay a web developer a few hundred bucks to create a plausible looking company web page, register domain for it, set up email, have a whole set of letterheads for communicating with the relevant government authorities.
- throwaway40324 7y ago
  This is very clever and made me laugh, but really, someone with two drunk driving offenses should just take the humble, honest, simpler path of being sober and blowing in the breath machine.
- obituary_latte 7y ago
  Except, if I’m reading correctly, the restriction is on the offenders license and they are prohibited from driving any vehicle that does not have the lockout device.
fredophile 7y ago
I think it's a restriction on your license and applies to any car you drive. The company car won't have the device so the driver would not be able to legally drive it. This would be similar to how some locations make you do a road test with a standard transmission or you are only allowed to drive an automatic.
Tharkun 7y ago
Might not be a bad standard feature. We used to think seatbelts were stupid...
gexla 7y ago
What about gig work, such as driving an Uber?
peteretep 7y ago
> I imagine this is for your personal car The article states that you're not allowed to operate a car without one installed.
- 6nf 7y ago
  You don't want repeat offenders of drink driving getting into professional driving jobs though right?
  - ShorsHammer 7y ago
    I've done some pretty stupid shit carwise in my youth and lost a few licenses along the way. Perhaps extrapolate your statement out to other forms of justice meted out by society and ask if you'd say the same about those crimes? I'd certainly hope I could get a driving job today if worse came to worse. I did my time and certainly paid my dues. Technically it's been long enough that my crimes are wiped off the record and I can legally not mention them to workplaces/authorities. It's very easy to demand heavy lifetime justice for everyone you don't sympathise with, a lot harder to make it fair and equitable to the longterm benefit of a society. I honestly don't understand how the US treats their convicted criminals, it's basically a life sentence in many respects.
    - 6nf 7y ago
      I guess soon it wont matter. When robots take over most driving jobs...
    - tehwebguy 7y ago
      You can drive drunk, get caught, get prosecuted and still get another chance. Just can’t do it twice, I think that’s fair.
      - ShorsHammer 7y ago
        > Just can’t do it twice As in you can't ever drive again afterwards? I'm fairly honest here about my own failures in life, by this judgement do you think I should never be able to drive a car ever again? Most of my life has been living in places with absolutely no public transport, how exactly do I go to work as a middle aged person having being deemed unworthy of 60 years of no license because of being a young idiot once upon a time? Please go down this path and say what should happen

klyrs 7y ago

And for a province with a legal drinking age of 18, too. Seems onerous.

msh 7y ago

Then they should not have repeatedly broken the law.

hp49 7y ago

No! This is unforgivable \s https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/trudeau-sparks-outrage-with-plan-to-reintegrate-isis-terrorists-into-canada https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/trudeau-sparks-outrage-wit...

nsgi 7y ago
Why are you linking to Life Site News? That site is a joke and that article has nothing to do with this thread.
- hp49 7y ago
  >That site is a joke Might be (first source that popped up). Does it make it untrue? The point is: One the one hand people are willing to forgive terrorists and reintegrate them into society, on the other hand you're forced to have a breathalyzer in your car for the rest of your life for drunk driving twice within ten years.

msl 7y ago

Getting hit by a car can be a death penalty, and drunk driving greatly increases the risk of causing an accident [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_under_the_influence#Risks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Driving_under_the_influence#Ri...

tomjen3 7y ago

So could getting hit by a drunk driver. There was a case with a 14 year old girl here in Denmark who got hit and murdered by an ex teacher of hers who was super drunk and crashed into her in an intersection -- the impact was so bad it basically blew the bike a part. And it is the most stupid crime possible to commit, since the upside is so small and the downside so huge. Personally I would support an instant death penalty for drunk driving if I didn't think it would be abused, so yeah I am okay with somebody not being able to support themselves after murdering a 14 year old girl. I hope the starve themselves to death on the street.

fiter 7y ago
According to Wikipedia, the murder's typical sentence would be for 12 years. This suggests that your legal system believes people can chamge and have their rights restored. [0] In Denmark manddrab (manslaughter) is the term used by the Danish penalty law to describe the act of intentionally killing another person. No distinction between manslaughter and murder exists. The penalty goes from a minimum of five years (six years in the case of regicide) to imprisonment for life. The standard punishment for manslaughter - i.e. where there are neither aggravating or mitigating circumstances - is 12 years imprisonment.
- paggle 7y ago
  12 years for killing someone is a complete joke. Kill someone at 26 and get out at 38? Fuck that. Glad I don’t live there.

wbronitsky 7y ago

Driving drunk is something we should have absolutely 0 tolerance for in 2019. It is nearly never mandatory, except possibly in a disaster, and should be punished according to the externalities it causes. In this case that is death, which is non-reversable. I, for one, find this to be a barely passable minimum punishment for two DUIs

gambiting 7y ago
Single DUI should be a 2-3 year suspension of the licence. Second DUI should be a driving ban for life.

astura 7y ago

I mean... If you have a history of multiple DUIs you're going to have an extremely difficult time getting a job that requires driving anyways.