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This doesn't bode well for classic and antique car collectors of the future, who will want operable Tesla cars. There are Ford Model T cars that still drive. T
by tropo 7y ago
This doesn't bode well for classic and antique car collectors of the future, who will want operable Tesla cars.
There are Ford Model T cars that still drive. They were made 92 to 111 years ago.
With undocumented and cryptographically signed interfaces between components, it will be impossible to keep a Tesla running that long. The best you could hope for is to graft the body panels of a Tesla onto the innards of a newer car, merely dressing up the newer car to cosmetically look like a Tesla. Such a hack would not be have vehicle title as a Tesla, would not drive like a Tesla, and would not have an interface like a Tesla.
- sliken 7y agoHackers are already ripped apart Teslas and building things from the parts. It's VERY common to use the battery packs (thus their high resale value). Motors are popular as well. Sure there's some crypto/DRM for things like the car's identity (and if it has free supercharging for life). But generally a large part of a Tesla would be usable even 100 years from now, even if Tesla (the company) is dead.
- olivermarks 7y agoThis is nonsense IMO. Not to disparage Tesla but I doubt many of the components will last 10 years let alone 100
- mschuster91 7y agoThe thing that most definitely needs exchange is the battery pack and IIRC it's ordinary 18650 cells...
- shrubble 7y agoMy estimate is that 50 years from now that encryption will be crackable. Alternatively there may be holes that can be used--such as a 'boundary scan' of one of the chips yielding the key. I don't have a spare Tesla sitting around to test this theory, however (grin)
- inferiorhuman 7y agoMight not be that long. In the early 2000s 256-bit RSA keys were common. These days manufacturers don't care about twenty-year-old cars an owners have factored the keys.
- jacquesm 7y agoThis goes for any modern car, Tesla is no exception here. Cars contain large numbers of embedded computers, chances are that in every car there is at least some time-bomb like bug that the manufacturers aren't aware of that will kill the car in a few decades. There is already some development of open source ECUs: https://www.google.com/search?q=open+soure+ECU https://www.google.com/search?q=open+soure+ECU For ICE based cars, you can expect something similar to happen for electric cars.
- eloisant 7y agoYes, also older cars can easily be maintained by anyone knowledgeable enough, but good luck doing maintenance on a modern car.
- walrus01 7y agoA problem like this could be significantly alleviated by not having the flash soldered onto the motherboard. This is one of my concerns with the current generation of Apple MacBook laptops. Considering the cost of a Tesla as a whole, surely it can't be ridiculously more expensive to put a m.2 socket and discrete flash module on a motherboard.
- oldgradstudent 7y ago> surely it can't be ridiculously more expensive to put a m.2 socket and discrete flash module on a motherboard. It would be more expensive for Apple because people would buy cheap models and later upgrade, instead of buying expensive models or buy new machines early.
- Nasrudith 7y agoI suspect that it may be worse if they didn't solder given that it is in a vibration prone environment. The underspeccing for wear is more of an issue than the soldering in my opinion since if you are dealing with chips anyway you are already pretty damn elbows deep into a specialized area.
- lazyjones 7y ago> The best you could hope for is to graft the body panels of a Tesla onto the innards of a newer car No, the best you can do is root the car and fix the software as you like. https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/let-the-hacking-begin-model-s-parts-on-the-bench.58951/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/let-the-hacking-begi...