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Hi, I'm nobody. I have no interest in Android or iOS. I have no interest in phones that make it difficult to run non-android systems on them. I have no interes

Hi, I'm nobody. I have no interest in Android or iOS. I have no interest in phones that make it difficult to run non-android systems on them. I have no interest in devices I have to break into in order to make them do what I want them to do. Phones that I've been using for more than 10 years now make it easy to run Debian GNU/Linux on them, baremetal, straight out of Debian repositories. Those devices don't require me to run any proprietary binary blob on my system. Those devices are supported by community years after their manufacturers abandoned them, as mainlining makes that task actually manageable. That's the kind of phone I'm interested in and its OS plays a big part in it.

criddell 7y ago
> I have no interest in devices I have to break into in order to make them do what I want them to do. And that is?
- mastazi 7y ago
  Do you have time? The list is going to be really long. Just two examples: removing Google apps from Android devices, installing non-store apps on iOS. If you run a web search along the lines of "best apps for rooted Android" or "best apps for jailbroken iPhone" you will find many more examples of useful things that you can do with rooted/jailbroken devices.
  - criddell 7y ago
    But the Librem 5 isn't a rootable Android or iOS device, it's a Linux phone. What's an example of some killer Linux-only app that's needed on a phone?
    - mastazi 7y ago
      Bash, apt-get, chmod, vim, grep, cat, crontab, python3, pip3, httpd, sqlite3, ps, ls, top, df, lsblk, ifconfig, iptables, perl, apt-cache, chown, nano...
      - criddell 7y ago
        Sounds like you're more interested in GNU stuff than Linux stuff. Most of that is available on Android probably because it's also running Linux.
        seba_dos1 7y ago
        Wayland/X11, PyGTK/PyQt, usbip, being able to compile apps without dealing with Android's awful NDK, telephony scripting, itch.io's butler, PulseAudio streaming... and those are just the first things that came into my mind. I have a secondary Android device just out of necessity, I am a power user with enough past experience (I was active in Openmoko community, made Debian chroot for Kindle Paperwhite, am still using Nokia N900 etc.) and no - I have no actual interest in Android. Stop-gaps like Debian chroots or layers on top of libhybris won't replace the real baremetal, mainline thing.
        mastazi 7y ago
        Most of that is available on rooted Android, which brings us back to what we were saying at the beginning of this subthread...
burntoutfire 7y ago
Do you have the same approach about all other linux-powered devices - cars, fridges, TVs etc?

criddell 7y ago

> I have no interest in devices I have to break into in order to make them do what I want them to do. And that is?

mastazi 7y ago
Do you have time? The list is going to be really long. Just two examples: removing Google apps from Android devices, installing non-store apps on iOS. If you run a web search along the lines of "best apps for rooted Android" or "best apps for jailbroken iPhone" you will find many more examples of useful things that you can do with rooted/jailbroken devices.
- criddell 7y ago
  But the Librem 5 isn't a rootable Android or iOS device, it's a Linux phone. What's an example of some killer Linux-only app that's needed on a phone?
  - mastazi 7y ago
    Bash, apt-get, chmod, vim, grep, cat, crontab, python3, pip3, httpd, sqlite3, ps, ls, top, df, lsblk, ifconfig, iptables, perl, apt-cache, chown, nano...
    - criddell 7y ago
      Sounds like you're more interested in GNU stuff than Linux stuff. Most of that is available on Android probably because it's also running Linux.
      - seba_dos1 7y ago
        Wayland/X11, PyGTK/PyQt, usbip, being able to compile apps without dealing with Android's awful NDK, telephony scripting, itch.io's butler, PulseAudio streaming... and those are just the first things that came into my mind. I have a secondary Android device just out of necessity, I am a power user with enough past experience (I was active in Openmoko community, made Debian chroot for Kindle Paperwhite, am still using Nokia N900 etc.) and no - I have no actual interest in Android. Stop-gaps like Debian chroots or layers on top of libhybris won't replace the real baremetal, mainline thing.
      - mastazi 7y ago
        Most of that is available on rooted Android, which brings us back to what we were saying at the beginning of this subthread...

burntoutfire 7y ago

Do you have the same approach about all other linux-powered devices - cars, fridges, TVs etc?