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I upvoted this by accident (meant to downvote), so I might as well respond: > The fact that someone would promote dropping out to live in the outback > ser

I upvoted this by accident (meant to downvote), so I might as well respond: > The fact that someone would promote dropping out to live in the outback > serving beer to a bunch of tourists is insane. I know several career bartenders who love mixing drinks and the social aspect of being behind the bar. What's insane for you is absolutely heaven for them. Quality bartenders can make fantastic money, but let's discount that and say that, for some folks, being happy with their job is more important than how much they earn doing it. > Don't kid yourself. Work is hard and there are no easy way about it. You yourself say that bartending for tourists during the busy season is so horrible that you can't survive one season before bailing. That doesn't sound easy, but if you love bartending, it's not so bad. Similarly, some of my clients are hard to work with sometimes, but I love developing software, so it's not so bad. tl;dr: grow up and learn that there are valid viewpoints that differ from yours.

tomsaffell 16y ago
>tl;dr: grow up.. I'd liked your post up to that point.
- stcredzero 16y ago
  At least the parent post to that one knows they got someone's attention. I think Abbie Hoffman once said, "If you ever raise someone's hackles, then you've struck gold!"
doyoulikeworms 16y ago
I think he means that bartending is easy in that it doesn't consume your life (unless you're an alcoholic). I mean no disrespect to bartenders in any way, but it appears to be a "clock in and check out" job. Clock in, do your n hours by rote, and clock out.
- jsavimbi 16y ago
  All's I'm saying is that it must be a great job if a foreigner can just walk into your country, apply, become employed and live happily ever after for the season without competition from the locals or the authorities. What a country! Like our very own migrant farm workers here in the United States I guess, or if you're really ambitious, in Oz: http://www.workstay.com.au/backpacker_harvest_jobs.htm http://www.workstay.com.au/backpacker_harvest_jobs.htm The original premise only works if you meet the following conditions, aside from being young and smart like the guy said: 1. You're taking a gap year between education and/or work to see the world and gain some [travel] experience. 2. You never intend to return to that lifestyle after your year is done and have a plan to a normal lifestyle of continuos employment that doesn't involve taking money from those temporarily impaired by alcohol. Because most people in the world are sober for the majority of their lives and drunks don't have much of a long tail and if you're halfway smart and ambitious you'll tire of them in short order. The post author uses bar-tending as an example because somewhere, someone decided that it was a sexy job (Cocktail, anyone?) that could someday lead you to owning your own place by the beach meeting fancy people of the desired sexual orientation while you party on your time off. Very few bartenders can do that unless someone buys the bar for them or they have two or more partners. My response to that is that it's a lazy-man's job where you're just a cog in the wheel of a drug-dealing enterprise and get paid only after the liquor distributor, bar owner and permanent staff, and in the case of the US, paid only by the patrons through their generosity in the form of tips as a reward for being able to stare at your t&a while they slip into their daily haze. You are a sexually stimulating device that can open beer bottles. The ones that can't stimulate any more get jobs at the airport/hotel lounge where they can use their brains even less while being protected by their union. Those who work sporting events are neither. I prefer the fruit-picking example as it makes more sense to the uninitiated. Also, all growed-up software engineer here making six figures year after year who will never again pour a drink or throw a bum out of a bar or wear a uniform to work.

tomsaffell 16y ago

>tl;dr: grow up.. I'd liked your post up to that point.

stcredzero 16y ago
At least the parent post to that one knows they got someone's attention. I think Abbie Hoffman once said, "If you ever raise someone's hackles, then you've struck gold!"

doyoulikeworms 16y ago

I think he means that bartending is easy in that it doesn't consume your life (unless you're an alcoholic). I mean no disrespect to bartenders in any way, but it appears to be a "clock in and check out" job. Clock in, do your n hours by rote, and clock out.

jsavimbi 16y ago
All's I'm saying is that it must be a great job if a foreigner can just walk into your country, apply, become employed and live happily ever after for the season without competition from the locals or the authorities. What a country! Like our very own migrant farm workers here in the United States I guess, or if you're really ambitious, in Oz: http://www.workstay.com.au/backpacker_harvest_jobs.htm http://www.workstay.com.au/backpacker_harvest_jobs.htm The original premise only works if you meet the following conditions, aside from being young and smart like the guy said: 1. You're taking a gap year between education and/or work to see the world and gain some [travel] experience. 2. You never intend to return to that lifestyle after your year is done and have a plan to a normal lifestyle of continuos employment that doesn't involve taking money from those temporarily impaired by alcohol. Because most people in the world are sober for the majority of their lives and drunks don't have much of a long tail and if you're halfway smart and ambitious you'll tire of them in short order. The post author uses bar-tending as an example because somewhere, someone decided that it was a sexy job (Cocktail, anyone?) that could someday lead you to owning your own place by the beach meeting fancy people of the desired sexual orientation while you party on your time off. Very few bartenders can do that unless someone buys the bar for them or they have two or more partners. My response to that is that it's a lazy-man's job where you're just a cog in the wheel of a drug-dealing enterprise and get paid only after the liquor distributor, bar owner and permanent staff, and in the case of the US, paid only by the patrons through their generosity in the form of tips as a reward for being able to stare at your t&a while they slip into their daily haze. You are a sexually stimulating device that can open beer bottles. The ones that can't stimulate any more get jobs at the airport/hotel lounge where they can use their brains even less while being protected by their union. Those who work sporting events are neither. I prefer the fruit-picking example as it makes more sense to the uninitiated. Also, all growed-up software engineer here making six figures year after year who will never again pour a drink or throw a bum out of a bar or wear a uniform to work.