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This isn't someone having an edge over someone else because they worked for it, took a risk for it, or earned it in any way. It's because they had different par

This isn't someone having an edge over someone else because they worked for it, took a risk for it, or earned it in any way. It's because they had different parents - capitalism is about rewarding work, risk, etc not having parents who can afford to send you to a better school. Communism pretends to seek equality at all times for all, but this is only proposing a more equal start for all, and still allows some to do better than others. Are you sure authoritarianism isn't the word you were looking for?

vageli 7y ago
> Capitalism is about rewarding work, risk, etc not having parents who can afford to send you to a better school. Since when is capitalism _about_ rewarding work and risk?
- jamescostian 7y ago
  I don't personally think that capitalism does a good job of rewarding work. But, IME, people who are in favor or capitalism are under the impression that it's a system that allows anyone to succeed and do well, all they have to do is work hard, get money, invest, start their own business, etc. They feel communism is unfair as it rewards people for doing nothing, while capitalism allows rags-to-riches based on work and risk AIUI
  - vageli 7y ago
    Many people would characterize this misconception as the lie of the American dream. I don't know if there ever has been a time under capitalist systems where things like inheritance, etc (which would unlevel the playing field, as it were) were explicitly banned.
gfodor 7y ago
A large part of the reason capitalism works is not because people want to make a better life for themselves, but because they want to make a better life for their kids. In a system where a parent can not work hard to increase the likelihood of their children’s’ success in life, likely the system would collapse. (This doesn’t mean that schools shouldn’t become more socialized, I’m pointing out the flaw in the argument that capitalism is tied to individual benefit. For any parent, their individual benefit takes a back seat to that of their kids.)
- jamescostian 7y ago
  You're right about the flaw in tying capitalism to individual benefit, however, don't those parents also appreciate the love a not-so-fortunate parent has for their own child? If they want such great opportunities for their child, why wouldn't they want the same for other children? Capitalists who are so selfless for their own offspring should also feel the same about others, right? I guess it's just hard for me to imagine someone who loves their child so much but doesn't care enough about how much someone less fortunate would care about their child. Perhaps it's because I'm not a parent
SuoDuanDao 7y ago
Communism is about the state owning the means of production. If the state bans private schools, it is granting itself a monopoly on the education market. It's one of those rare instances where communism is actually the right term.
- jamescostian 7y ago
  Good point! I take it back, you (and the person I was replying to) are right about the usage of the term.
OCASM 7y ago
Capitalism is about private property and freedom. If parents want to provide generously to their children that's perfectly fine. Equality of opportunity is equally as bad as equality of results. It denies people the ability to reach as high as they can and forcibly brings them down.
- jamescostian 7y ago
  Is that really worse than what we already have, where most people are denied the ability to reach as high as they could because of who they were born to? You can appreciate that many parents who are able to want to provide generously to their kids, so imagine a parent feeling the same but not being able to be generous. Passing on money you don't have is pretty hard, but passing on the way people looked down on you for your financial status is unfortunately easy to pass on, as are your wishes that you went to (or even had the money to) go to college, among other things. You know your child deserves so much and could do so much, if only they had the resources to achieve all they could
  - OCASM 7y ago
    It is worse because you'd be taking away opportunities from some to give to others against their will. It's cheating.
    - jamescostian 7y ago
      By doing nothing you're allowing opportunities to be taken away from many kids against their will (bc their parents lack the money). That's cheating
      - OCASM 7y ago
        You're not taking away anything because they never had them in the first place.

vageli 7y ago

> Capitalism is about rewarding work, risk, etc not having parents who can afford to send you to a better school. Since when is capitalism _about_ rewarding work and risk?

jamescostian 7y ago
I don't personally think that capitalism does a good job of rewarding work. But, IME, people who are in favor or capitalism are under the impression that it's a system that allows anyone to succeed and do well, all they have to do is work hard, get money, invest, start their own business, etc. They feel communism is unfair as it rewards people for doing nothing, while capitalism allows rags-to-riches based on work and risk AIUI
- vageli 7y ago
  Many people would characterize this misconception as the lie of the American dream. I don't know if there ever has been a time under capitalist systems where things like inheritance, etc (which would unlevel the playing field, as it were) were explicitly banned.

gfodor 7y ago

A large part of the reason capitalism works is not because people want to make a better life for themselves, but because they want to make a better life for their kids. In a system where a parent can not work hard to increase the likelihood of their children’s’ success in life, likely the system would collapse. (This doesn’t mean that schools shouldn’t become more socialized, I’m pointing out the flaw in the argument that capitalism is tied to individual benefit. For any parent, their individual benefit takes a back seat to that of their kids.)

jamescostian 7y ago
You're right about the flaw in tying capitalism to individual benefit, however, don't those parents also appreciate the love a not-so-fortunate parent has for their own child? If they want such great opportunities for their child, why wouldn't they want the same for other children? Capitalists who are so selfless for their own offspring should also feel the same about others, right? I guess it's just hard for me to imagine someone who loves their child so much but doesn't care enough about how much someone less fortunate would care about their child. Perhaps it's because I'm not a parent

SuoDuanDao 7y ago

Communism is about the state owning the means of production. If the state bans private schools, it is granting itself a monopoly on the education market. It's one of those rare instances where communism is actually the right term.

jamescostian 7y ago
Good point! I take it back, you (and the person I was replying to) are right about the usage of the term.

OCASM 7y ago

Capitalism is about private property and freedom. If parents want to provide generously to their children that's perfectly fine. Equality of opportunity is equally as bad as equality of results. It denies people the ability to reach as high as they can and forcibly brings them down.

jamescostian 7y ago
Is that really worse than what we already have, where most people are denied the ability to reach as high as they could because of who they were born to? You can appreciate that many parents who are able to want to provide generously to their kids, so imagine a parent feeling the same but not being able to be generous. Passing on money you don't have is pretty hard, but passing on the way people looked down on you for your financial status is unfortunately easy to pass on, as are your wishes that you went to (or even had the money to) go to college, among other things. You know your child deserves so much and could do so much, if only they had the resources to achieve all they could
- OCASM 7y ago
  It is worse because you'd be taking away opportunities from some to give to others against their will. It's cheating.
  - jamescostian 7y ago
    By doing nothing you're allowing opportunities to be taken away from many kids against their will (bc their parents lack the money). That's cheating
    - OCASM 7y ago
      You're not taking away anything because they never had them in the first place.