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The Librem is $700 and, at launch, doesn't include basic functionality like calendars, calculators and notes. Sure I'm comparing apples to lemons here, but the

The Librem is $700 and, at launch, doesn't include basic functionality like calendars, calculators and notes. Sure I'm comparing apples to lemons here, but the first iPhone was $500, twelve years ago, and much more functional.

rootlocus 7y ago
You're comparing apples to gnomes.
teddyh 7y ago
> The Librem […] doesn't include basic functionality like calendars, calculators and notes. From what I can see, this is untrue: Calculator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esYJSNZrQWc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esYJSNZrQWc Notes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34XhhVlmYTU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34XhhVlmYTU and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEzRgjHaIZo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEzRgjHaIZo It would surprise me if there wasn’t a calendaring program in there, too
- mattkevan 7y ago
  I'm getting the information directly from the Librem 5 product page[0]: "Upon initial shipment of the Librem 5 in 2019, it will offer the essentials: phone functionality, email, messaging, voice, camera, browsing. Your user experience will improve as we incrementally add commonly requested applications and features (such as calendaring, notes, calculator, PDF viewer, etc.) while keeping performance in mind." [0] https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/ https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
  - teddyh 7y ago
    I think I recognize this text from when I read it early on; I would assume that this was written before the relevant Gnome programs (Calculator, Xournal, GEdit, etc.) had been ported to run sensibly on the Librem 5. They should probably update it.
marcus_holmes 7y ago
Doesn't it run Gnome and X/Wayland?
ac29 7y ago
It also cant make phone calls: "audio is not routed (no voice heard or sent)" https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-birch-shipping-announcement/ https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-birch-shipping-announcement/
jancsika 7y ago
Yes, the first iPhone was $500 12 years ago. And today, through the miracle of the free market an iPhone will only cost you... $599 with trade in. adjusts glasses, shuffles papers Gotta be missing some pages here...
- Synaesthesia 7y ago
  That $500 was the pay in on the contract, not the price of the phone.
- mattkevan 7y ago
  To be fair, the iPhone 11 is well over two orders of magnitude more powerful than the iPhone 1. Not bad for another $99.
beatgammit 7y ago
Also, "initial shipment" is a bit odd since everything before batch Evergreen (next year) could be considered a "preview release" since they're still finalizing some of the hardware. The iPhone didn't release in batches, it was a complete product on launch. We'll see what makes the cut by the time Evergreen rolls out.

rootlocus 7y ago

You're comparing apples to gnomes.

teddyh 7y ago

> The Librem […] doesn't include basic functionality like calendars, calculators and notes. From what I can see, this is untrue: Calculator: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esYJSNZrQWc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esYJSNZrQWc Notes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34XhhVlmYTU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34XhhVlmYTU and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEzRgjHaIZo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEzRgjHaIZo It would surprise me if there wasn’t a calendaring program in there, too

mattkevan 7y ago
I'm getting the information directly from the Librem 5 product page[0]: "Upon initial shipment of the Librem 5 in 2019, it will offer the essentials: phone functionality, email, messaging, voice, camera, browsing. Your user experience will improve as we incrementally add commonly requested applications and features (such as calendaring, notes, calculator, PDF viewer, etc.) while keeping performance in mind." [0] https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/ https://puri.sm/products/librem-5/
- teddyh 7y ago
  I think I recognize this text from when I read it early on; I would assume that this was written before the relevant Gnome programs (Calculator, Xournal, GEdit, etc.) had been ported to run sensibly on the Librem 5. They should probably update it.

marcus_holmes 7y ago

Doesn't it run Gnome and X/Wayland?

ac29 7y ago

It also cant make phone calls: "audio is not routed (no voice heard or sent)" https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-birch-shipping-announcement/ https://puri.sm/posts/librem-5-birch-shipping-announcement/

jancsika 7y ago

Yes, the first iPhone was $500 12 years ago. And today, through the miracle of the free market an iPhone will only cost you... $599 with trade in. adjusts glasses, shuffles papers Gotta be missing some pages here...

Synaesthesia 7y ago
That $500 was the pay in on the contract, not the price of the phone.
mattkevan 7y ago
To be fair, the iPhone 11 is well over two orders of magnitude more powerful than the iPhone 1. Not bad for another $99.

beatgammit 7y ago

Also, "initial shipment" is a bit odd since everything before batch Evergreen (next year) could be considered a "preview release" since they're still finalizing some of the hardware. The iPhone didn't release in batches, it was a complete product on launch. We'll see what makes the cut by the time Evergreen rolls out.