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You are misunderstanding the word, 'Copy'. Here, it does not mean like "3-D movies is a great idea, lets copy it from avatar". Its more on the lines on "This co

You are misunderstanding the word, 'Copy'. Here, it does not mean like "3-D movies is a great idea, lets copy it from avatar". Its more on the lines on "This code is great, lets copy it". Copy == getting inspired by brilliance of an idea and implement on your own in the first case. Copy == stealing in the latter case. Copying (Ctrl C+ Ctrl V), google search results is theft, not "getting inspired" from previous body of works. Edit - Made the PoV clearer.

gyardley 16y ago
No one's stealing Google's code. Here, it means 'we have evidence, given to us by our users who agreed to share their web traffic with us, that showing this result for this query is a great idea -- so let's do that.' People obtain data on their competitors' performance all the time and tailor their products accordingly. It's not theft, it's competitive intelligence.
- random42 16y ago
  > People obtain data on their competitors' performance all the time and tailor their products accordingly. It's not theft, it's competitive intelligence. Yes, but in this case, its more like claiming competitors product (the search result), as your own in your product directly. I would consider it a theft.
  - encoderer 16y ago
    No it's not. That's absurd. A clicked search result is a successful product. Bing is taking note of a competitors successful product and using that information in it's own decisions on the products (serps) it produces for it's users. This is a bunch of microsoft haters making hay over nothing at all. Quit whining. It's not theft, it's not any more privacy-offensive than anything Google does, get over it.
    - random42 16y ago
      I agree with you 100% if that's the case, ( and matt Cutts ' comment suggests it is) . My argument were for the case if Bing were to crawl google results page, (programming equivalent of Searching on google and feeding results on own db as results for the term ), not considering user clicked information.
brudgers 16y ago
When identical inputs create identical outputs using different algorithms, it's reverse engineering not copying.
- random42 16y ago
  Except the algorithms are not really different. one algorithm is just a wrapper over the second algorithm. the crux of the matter is really in just second algo.
- random42 16y ago
  Except the algorithms are not really different. one algorithm is just a wrapper over the second algorithm. the crux of the matter is really in just second algo.
  - brudgers 16y ago
    It's not a wrapper. Bing isn't passing requests to the Google API and then returning the results on the Bing page. Keep in mind that 93/100 of the seeds Google injected into Bing's database were filtered out.
antimatter15 16y ago
Or: "3-d movies are a great idea, lets take scenes from Avatar and put them in our movie" I don't think excessive simplification lends justice to the issue. Just like how piracy isn't necessarily theft, what Bing is doing isn't necessarily copying.

gyardley 16y ago

No one's stealing Google's code. Here, it means 'we have evidence, given to us by our users who agreed to share their web traffic with us, that showing this result for this query is a great idea -- so let's do that.' People obtain data on their competitors' performance all the time and tailor their products accordingly. It's not theft, it's competitive intelligence.

random42 16y ago
> People obtain data on their competitors' performance all the time and tailor their products accordingly. It's not theft, it's competitive intelligence. Yes, but in this case, its more like claiming competitors product (the search result), as your own in your product directly. I would consider it a theft.
- encoderer 16y ago
  No it's not. That's absurd. A clicked search result is a successful product. Bing is taking note of a competitors successful product and using that information in it's own decisions on the products (serps) it produces for it's users. This is a bunch of microsoft haters making hay over nothing at all. Quit whining. It's not theft, it's not any more privacy-offensive than anything Google does, get over it.
  - random42 16y ago
    I agree with you 100% if that's the case, ( and matt Cutts ' comment suggests it is) . My argument were for the case if Bing were to crawl google results page, (programming equivalent of Searching on google and feeding results on own db as results for the term ), not considering user clicked information.

brudgers 16y ago

When identical inputs create identical outputs using different algorithms, it's reverse engineering not copying.

random42 16y ago
Except the algorithms are not really different. one algorithm is just a wrapper over the second algorithm. the crux of the matter is really in just second algo.
random42 16y ago
Except the algorithms are not really different. one algorithm is just a wrapper over the second algorithm. the crux of the matter is really in just second algo.
- brudgers 16y ago
  It's not a wrapper. Bing isn't passing requests to the Google API and then returning the results on the Bing page. Keep in mind that 93/100 of the seeds Google injected into Bing's database were filtered out.

antimatter15 16y ago

Or: "3-d movies are a great idea, lets take scenes from Avatar and put them in our movie" I don't think excessive simplification lends justice to the issue. Just like how piracy isn't necessarily theft, what Bing is doing isn't necessarily copying.