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So it sounds like you're okay with Google collecting all your data because your description doesn't cover them > If you are reselling my data Google doesn't

So it sounds like you're okay with Google collecting all your data because your description doesn't cover them > If you are reselling my data Google doesn't resell data > allowing access to my data, Google doesn't allow access to user data > or deriving data / servives from my data that identifies me in any way Google doesn't let people be identified from the data they collect. > and then selling that to a third party for a profit or giving it to them as part of a license so that they can generate profit from it Google doesn't sell data to a third party for profit. I'm 100% for a law that prevents that scammier companies who do all the things above to stop doing those things. Just pointing this doesn't cover HN's most hated company.

zajd 7y ago
This is why Google should be broken up. If you let giant megacorps keep vertically integrating into insanity, of course this sort of thing will happen. Google is like thousands of companies in one. Youtube, Android, Search, Ads, Cloud, Drive, Gmail, etc should all be separate businesses.
Thriptic 7y ago
Fair enough. This is why we have lawyers and subject matter experts (which I am not). I am just expressing a general sentiment. Codifying that into an actionable set of laws and regulations requires much more work.
chipperyman573 7y ago
I would argue that makes what they're doing ok. I know this is a really unpopular opinion on HN but I think google is actually a really good example of ethical data collection. Sure they scrape up just about everything they can get, but they hold onto it themselves and have repeatedly demonstrated that (unlike facebook etc) they try hard to protect it and won't let an arbitrary 3rd party access it. They just let advertisers target demographics, so long as you don't actually click an ad your data is never accessible to advertisers. Someone has to pay the devs to make their services, someone has to pay for the server farms (and the electricity to run them), someone has to pay for their open-source efforts, etc. They have to make their money somehow and people have demonstrated over and over again that they're unwilling to pay for services like gmail (remember when hotmail used to charge a monthly fee for email service if you wanted more than like, 500mb or something?) (I don't and have never worked at google)
- blub 7y ago
  There is no such thing as ethical data collection, as long as that data contains personal information about individuals. The very act of collecting data is problematic because, as history has shown us, data troves cannot be protected long-term and that eventually the company and others will abuse that data. This already happened to Google. Not only they got hacked, but various governments successfully get access to all that data both by asking and by taking.

zajd 7y ago

This is why Google should be broken up. If you let giant megacorps keep vertically integrating into insanity, of course this sort of thing will happen. Google is like thousands of companies in one. Youtube, Android, Search, Ads, Cloud, Drive, Gmail, etc should all be separate businesses.

Thriptic 7y ago

Fair enough. This is why we have lawyers and subject matter experts (which I am not). I am just expressing a general sentiment. Codifying that into an actionable set of laws and regulations requires much more work.

chipperyman573 7y ago

I would argue that makes what they're doing ok. I know this is a really unpopular opinion on HN but I think google is actually a really good example of ethical data collection. Sure they scrape up just about everything they can get, but they hold onto it themselves and have repeatedly demonstrated that (unlike facebook etc) they try hard to protect it and won't let an arbitrary 3rd party access it. They just let advertisers target demographics, so long as you don't actually click an ad your data is never accessible to advertisers. Someone has to pay the devs to make their services, someone has to pay for the server farms (and the electricity to run them), someone has to pay for their open-source efforts, etc. They have to make their money somehow and people have demonstrated over and over again that they're unwilling to pay for services like gmail (remember when hotmail used to charge a monthly fee for email service if you wanted more than like, 500mb or something?) (I don't and have never worked at google)

blub 7y ago
There is no such thing as ethical data collection, as long as that data contains personal information about individuals. The very act of collecting data is problematic because, as history has shown us, data troves cannot be protected long-term and that eventually the company and others will abuse that data. This already happened to Google. Not only they got hacked, but various governments successfully get access to all that data both by asking and by taking.