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I’m now curios, can a human design a game that a computer can not beat a human at.

salomaki 7y ago
The Turing Test game? (For now at least)
asib 7y ago
This reduces down to the question of whether it's possible to simulate a brain (or an equivalent formulation, such as is consciousness somehow extraphysical). I believe I'm right in saying current consensus says that this is possible.
- londons_explore 7y ago
  Theoretically possible, but so far nobody has done it, or knows how to...
andrepd 7y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arimaa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arimaa Also, relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1002/ https://xkcd.com/1002/
- arunix 7y ago
  This hasn't been true since 2015, when the software became decisively stronger than human players. https://www.kingpinchess.net/2015/07/arimaa-game-over/ https://www.kingpinchess.net/2015/07/arimaa-game-over/
  - osyed1 7y ago
    Actually humans are now able to defeat the bot that won the Arimaa challenge. In games like this: http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=628806&s=w http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=628806&s=w However, there is also a new bot that has been trained using the self play method and has been crushing the bot that won the Arimaa challenge. In games like this: http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=628534&s=b http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=628534&s=b Most likely the bots are still ahead.
jknoepfler 7y ago
calvinball?
baroffoos 7y ago
Just put a scoreboard on captcha.
breatheoften 7y ago
I think alpha zero can self-train to mastery or super-human performance at any two player game with perfect information? I’d be curious to know if that’s incorrect ...
klyrs 7y ago
I'd love to see a blinded Dixit competition between humans and AI, judged by humans. Of course, humans and AI could get an advantage by playing lots of Dixit. But if the cards are generated specifically for that competition, things could get quite interesting.
nelgaard 7y ago
Maybe something like Nomic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic
Avamander 7y ago
Tic-Tac-Toe

The Turing Test game? (For now at least)

asib 7y ago

This reduces down to the question of whether it's possible to simulate a brain (or an equivalent formulation, such as is consciousness somehow extraphysical). I believe I'm right in saying current consensus says that this is possible.

londons_explore 7y ago
Theoretically possible, but so far nobody has done it, or knows how to...

andrepd 7y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arimaa https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arimaa Also, relevant xkcd: https://xkcd.com/1002/ https://xkcd.com/1002/

arunix 7y ago
This hasn't been true since 2015, when the software became decisively stronger than human players. https://www.kingpinchess.net/2015/07/arimaa-game-over/ https://www.kingpinchess.net/2015/07/arimaa-game-over/
- osyed1 7y ago
  Actually humans are now able to defeat the bot that won the Arimaa challenge. In games like this: http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=628806&s=w http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=628806&s=w However, there is also a new bot that has been trained using the self play method and has been crushing the bot that won the Arimaa challenge. In games like this: http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=628534&s=b http://arimaa.com/arimaa/games/jsShowGame.cgi?gid=628534&s=b Most likely the bots are still ahead.

jknoepfler 7y ago

calvinball?

baroffoos 7y ago

Just put a scoreboard on captcha.

breatheoften 7y ago

I think alpha zero can self-train to mastery or super-human performance at any two player game with perfect information? I’d be curious to know if that’s incorrect ...

klyrs 7y ago

I'd love to see a blinded Dixit competition between humans and AI, judged by humans. Of course, humans and AI could get an advantage by playing lots of Dixit. But if the cards are generated specifically for that competition, things could get quite interesting.

nelgaard 7y ago

Maybe something like Nomic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomic

Avamander 7y ago

Tic-Tac-Toe