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It doesn't even mention the possibility of political motivations. Nor does it mention the concept of freedom of speech. I think it says all we need to know abou

It doesn't even mention the possibility of political motivations. Nor does it mention the concept of freedom of speech. I think it says all we need to know about the lack of values from this company.

Barrin92 7y ago
>I think it says all we need to know about the lack of values from this company. that it lacks the same values 90% of all other tech companies lack, but they don't put free speech into the PR article?
- etaioinshrdlu 7y ago
  It's hard to hold anyone accountable when they don't first commit to anything. TikTok should therefore not even be given the benefit of the doubt.
- CountSessine 7y ago
  I can’t even imagine what kind of “values declaration” a Chinese company, under the scrutiny of the CCP, could possibly hope to make. Free speech? Transparency? Privacy protection? Honesty and integrity? Any one of these is clearly a lie given the country that they’re based in. I don’t know what the excuse of those other tech companies outside China could be. I guess when you move fast and break things, some of the things being broken are promises.
  - sukilot 7y ago
    Values declarations are easy, if there is no one to enforce them Let's look at the Chinese constitution: https://www.usconstitution.net/china.html#Article35 https://www.usconstitution.net/china.html#Article35 > Article 1. Socialist state > The People's Republic of China is a socialist state under the people's democratic dictatorship led by the working class and based on the alliance of workers and peasants. > Article 2. Power belongs to the people > All power in the People's Republic of China belongs to the people. > Article 35. Freedom of speech, press, assembly > Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration. > Article 37. Freedom of person > Unlawful detention or deprivation or restriction of citizens' freedom of the person by other means is prohibited, and unlawful search of the person of citizens is prohibited. > Article 39. Inviolability of the home The residences of citizens of the People's Republic of China are inviolable. Unlawful search of, or intrusion into, a citizen's residence is prohibited.
    - XMPPwocky 7y ago
      Is "unlawful" there translated from a word with similar connotations in Chinese? Because "unlawful [search, etc] is prohibited" is...a bit tautological.
      - martin__ 7y ago
        I don't read a lot of legal documents, but maybe it could also be translated as "unwarranted" or "not legally sanctioned".
ioerstets 7y ago
TikTok already announced they won’t allow political ads, just like Twitter.
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Thorrez 7y ago
This part seems related to freedom of speech: >We will also be reviewing our policies to allow carve-outs for things like education and satire, as other platforms do. But note that most platforms don't actually advocate full freedom of speech on their own platform. For example Hacker News has a lot of rules of what to post and how to behave.
wuunderbar 7y ago
And it will barely affect their bottom line. Their user base won't be deterred.

It doesn't even mention the possibility of political motivations. Nor does it mention the concept of freedom of speech. I think it says all we need to know about the lack of values from this company.

Barrin92 7y ago

>I think it says all we need to know about the lack of values from this company. that it lacks the same values 90% of all other tech companies lack, but they don't put free speech into the PR article?

etaioinshrdlu 7y ago
It's hard to hold anyone accountable when they don't first commit to anything. TikTok should therefore not even be given the benefit of the doubt.
CountSessine 7y ago
I can’t even imagine what kind of “values declaration” a Chinese company, under the scrutiny of the CCP, could possibly hope to make. Free speech? Transparency? Privacy protection? Honesty and integrity? Any one of these is clearly a lie given the country that they’re based in. I don’t know what the excuse of those other tech companies outside China could be. I guess when you move fast and break things, some of the things being broken are promises.
- sukilot 7y ago
  Values declarations are easy, if there is no one to enforce them Let's look at the Chinese constitution: https://www.usconstitution.net/china.html#Article35 https://www.usconstitution.net/china.html#Article35 > Article 1. Socialist state > The People's Republic of China is a socialist state under the people's democratic dictatorship led by the working class and based on the alliance of workers and peasants. > Article 2. Power belongs to the people > All power in the People's Republic of China belongs to the people. > Article 35. Freedom of speech, press, assembly > Citizens of the People's Republic of China enjoy freedom of speech, of the press, of assembly, of association, of procession and of demonstration. > Article 37. Freedom of person > Unlawful detention or deprivation or restriction of citizens' freedom of the person by other means is prohibited, and unlawful search of the person of citizens is prohibited. > Article 39. Inviolability of the home The residences of citizens of the People's Republic of China are inviolable. Unlawful search of, or intrusion into, a citizen's residence is prohibited.
  - XMPPwocky 7y ago
    Is "unlawful" there translated from a word with similar connotations in Chinese? Because "unlawful [search, etc] is prohibited" is...a bit tautological.
    - martin__ 7y ago
      I don't read a lot of legal documents, but maybe it could also be translated as "unwarranted" or "not legally sanctioned".

ioerstets 7y ago

TikTok already announced they won’t allow political ads, just like Twitter.

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Thorrez 7y ago

This part seems related to freedom of speech: >We will also be reviewing our policies to allow carve-outs for things like education and satire, as other platforms do. But note that most platforms don't actually advocate full freedom of speech on their own platform. For example Hacker News has a lot of rules of what to post and how to behave.

wuunderbar 7y ago

And it will barely affect their bottom line. Their user base won't be deterred.