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talk to a doctor and, if you are lucky, they find something they can cure. If you are unlucky, they find nothing. If you are really unlucky, you find something

talk to a doctor and, if you are lucky, they find something they can cure. If you are unlucky, they find nothing. If you are really unlucky, you find something like an autoimmune disorder - lots of autoimmune disorders get both some inflammation and 'brain fog' or other cognitive issues. All the diets folks recommend are not really proven to help with things like autoimmune disorders (even though some folks swear by them). If it were that simple, it would be standard treatment and no one would go through the side effects that some of the medicines for autoimmune disorders have. I don't know how effective the diets and supplements are for other things, but I'd not trust it unless it came from the mouth of a medical doctor I trusted.

MrBuddyCasino 7y ago
No. Docs have no clue about these sort of things. They are good for "leg broken, must fix leg". They suck at chronic and ambiguous illnesses. In the US, you can try the Mayo Clinic, they have specialists. Otherwise, help yourself.
- Bizarro 7y ago
  Unfortunately, that's really true. I have a doctor friend that looked at me like a deer in headlights when I asked about fatigue, brain fog, inflammation, food sensitivities, etc..
- Broken_Hippo 7y ago
  Because.. internists don't exist as primary care doctors? Because the start of getting diagnosed with chronic illnesses doesn't start with a primary care doctor? OR because insurances and governments aren't interested in not spending thousands of dollars per month per patient on autoimmune medicines when a simple diet change could do the same thing? There are more players than doctors. Folks go to specialists all the freaking time for their disorders, but not all disorders need that. You'll probably be just fine going to the normal doctor for type II diabetes. You'll probably go to a neurologist for your MS. Not all disorders need something like the Mayo Clinic. When we suck, we simply suck and that includes the Mayo Clinic and similar clinics. None of this changes the fact that there isn't evidence that diet helps in the long run for a lot of disorders. Staying generally healthy helps, sure, but saying anything else dupes folks into trying a bunch of weird, non-approved things and buying into snake oils.
  - MrBuddyCasino 7y ago
    > Staying generally healthy helps Its that easy huh. I'm afraid you got it exactly backwards. Snake oil is the last resort of people who are not being helped by the medical system. People don't love going from one doc to another, being told that "its probably psychological". Countless tests are not great even if they don't bankrupt you. I'm not saying its easy! Most doctors aren't even remotely trained for this, and they don't have the time per patient. Its a difficult task. What we need are special doctors for chronic diseases. There is a department at a German university (Heidelberg I think), which is being subsidised by the other things they do. They have good successes, helping people that could not be helped for years, but the waiting list is very very very long.
    - Broken_Hippo 7y ago
      Generally healthy: You can have a chronic disease and work on being generally healthy. Eat a varied diet. Exercise as you can. Don't smoke. I should mention at this point that I have a chronic disease - MS. There is no cure. But all that stuff helps people's outcome. The special diets do not. There are special doctors for some chronic diseases - like MS. Most folks go to a normal neurologist, and a few are lucky enough to have some specialists near them. I have nurses that are specialized that I see more than the neurologist as it helps the neurologist see more folks. That said, not all chronic diseases and conditions need a specialist. Type 2 diabetes is a chronic condition. High blood pressure is a chronic condition (and not always caused by diet/exercise). Depression is chronic. The thing is that some of these are common enough that it is pretty easy for a doctor to know about them. If you are lucky, you see an internist, who specialises in adult general medicine. Not all chronic diseases and conditions are things that are puzzling either. There is no reason for most folks to see these sorts of specialists, but I wish they were more available for folks that need them. This is a pretty slim portion of patients, though. Some diseases we don't know much about, and we need science to help. I've donated spinal fluid to help things along and I'll donate my body to science after whatever organ donation they'll let me do. I urge others to do similar stuff, and this is why I both want medical records digital and want them to be searchable by researchers. For everyone that doesn't specifically opt out, anyway. Most of the tests you mention? Yeah, if you are going to see a specialist, they are going to do the tests. Medicine is a profession of puzzles. You take vague symptoms that could have many causes and do tests to rule things out.
rorykoehler 7y ago
I have conclusive evidence (sample size 1)that keto reduces inflammation from my AS. The blood tests don't lie but its far from being a cure.

MrBuddyCasino 7y ago

No. Docs have no clue about these sort of things. They are good for "leg broken, must fix leg". They suck at chronic and ambiguous illnesses. In the US, you can try the Mayo Clinic, they have specialists. Otherwise, help yourself.

Bizarro 7y ago
Unfortunately, that's really true. I have a doctor friend that looked at me like a deer in headlights when I asked about fatigue, brain fog, inflammation, food sensitivities, etc..
Broken_Hippo 7y ago
Because.. internists don't exist as primary care doctors? Because the start of getting diagnosed with chronic illnesses doesn't start with a primary care doctor? OR because insurances and governments aren't interested in not spending thousands of dollars per month per patient on autoimmune medicines when a simple diet change could do the same thing? There are more players than doctors. Folks go to specialists all the freaking time for their disorders, but not all disorders need that. You'll probably be just fine going to the normal doctor for type II diabetes. You'll probably go to a neurologist for your MS. Not all disorders need something like the Mayo Clinic. When we suck, we simply suck and that includes the Mayo Clinic and similar clinics. None of this changes the fact that there isn't evidence that diet helps in the long run for a lot of disorders. Staying generally healthy helps, sure, but saying anything else dupes folks into trying a bunch of weird, non-approved things and buying into snake oils.
- MrBuddyCasino 7y ago
  > Staying generally healthy helps Its that easy huh. I'm afraid you got it exactly backwards. Snake oil is the last resort of people who are not being helped by the medical system. People don't love going from one doc to another, being told that "its probably psychological". Countless tests are not great even if they don't bankrupt you. I'm not saying its easy! Most doctors aren't even remotely trained for this, and they don't have the time per patient. Its a difficult task. What we need are special doctors for chronic diseases. There is a department at a German university (Heidelberg I think), which is being subsidised by the other things they do. They have good successes, helping people that could not be helped for years, but the waiting list is very very very long.
  - Broken_Hippo 7y ago
    Generally healthy: You can have a chronic disease and work on being generally healthy. Eat a varied diet. Exercise as you can. Don't smoke. I should mention at this point that I have a chronic disease - MS. There is no cure. But all that stuff helps people's outcome. The special diets do not. There are special doctors for some chronic diseases - like MS. Most folks go to a normal neurologist, and a few are lucky enough to have some specialists near them. I have nurses that are specialized that I see more than the neurologist as it helps the neurologist see more folks. That said, not all chronic diseases and conditions need a specialist. Type 2 diabetes is a chronic condition. High blood pressure is a chronic condition (and not always caused by diet/exercise). Depression is chronic. The thing is that some of these are common enough that it is pretty easy for a doctor to know about them. If you are lucky, you see an internist, who specialises in adult general medicine. Not all chronic diseases and conditions are things that are puzzling either. There is no reason for most folks to see these sorts of specialists, but I wish they were more available for folks that need them. This is a pretty slim portion of patients, though. Some diseases we don't know much about, and we need science to help. I've donated spinal fluid to help things along and I'll donate my body to science after whatever organ donation they'll let me do. I urge others to do similar stuff, and this is why I both want medical records digital and want them to be searchable by researchers. For everyone that doesn't specifically opt out, anyway. Most of the tests you mention? Yeah, if you are going to see a specialist, they are going to do the tests. Medicine is a profession of puzzles. You take vague symptoms that could have many causes and do tests to rule things out.

rorykoehler 7y ago

I have conclusive evidence (sample size 1)that keto reduces inflammation from my AS. The blood tests don't lie but its far from being a cure.