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I've become convinced a lot of what we now consider mental illnesses are actually symptoms caused by unknown pathogens. Inflammation plays a big part in this.

by Vomzor 7y ago

monological 7y ago
There’s a strong link between the common cold sore (Herpes simplex virus type 1) and amyloid beta buildup in the brain, which accumulates and severely impacts cognition. It’s estimated that around 67% of the entire world’s population has HSV-1. When your immune system weakens and the virus activates and comes out of dormancy, your body starts to pump out these amyloids to “protect” itself against the virus. The issue is that high levels of this peptide buildup leads to Alzheimers like symptoms. Over time, if you have poor sleep hygiene or under a lot of stress, the buildup reaches a point of significant aggregation causing “brain fog,” even without a confirmed diagnosis of Alzheimers. This is just my theory though. I’m not a doctor. It’s just my 2 cents. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2953363/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2953363/ https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1586/14787210.2014.887442 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1586/14787210.2014.8... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26836158/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26836158/
- Vomzor 7y ago
  To add on this. I believe Alzheimer’s is a set of symptoms causes by different bacteria and viruses. Not a disease in itself. And not one single virus or bacteria. See also the recent found link between Alzheimer's and dental bacteria. Or the link between Alzheimer’s and Lyme disease. Like this misdiagnosis: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kris-kristofferson-misdiagnosed-alzheimers-has-lyme-disease/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kris-kristofferson-misdiagnosed... And this: >In Miklossy’s work, Borrelia burgdorferi—the species of spirochete that causes Lyme, was identified in 451 out of the 495 Alzheimer’s-riddled brains they examined. Yet, her work at the time was derived by other researchers and until recently, she had difficulty securing funding. https://bigthink.com/philip-perry/could-a-pathogen-be-the-cause-of-alzheimers-disease https://bigthink.com/philip-perry/could-a-pathogen-be-the-ca...
  - masonic 7y ago
    derived by other researchers Did they mean to write "derided by other researchers"?
rcconf 7y ago
I'm also convinced of the same thing, I don't know enough about biology, but I have days where I feel like the only thing that could be causing certain emotions is an infection that I don't know about. For example, I use to feel tired all the time, and I would get sick all the time. I swear I could "feel" that my immune system sucked and I constantly had to fight things off. Now I feel like my immune system is stronger, and it shows because I get sick so less often. My brain fog is basically gone and my energy levels are a lot higher. Every now and then it comes back, but recently I always wondered: Is there a set of anti-biotics, anti-parasitical, anti-viral drugs that you could take in a row to try to flush the body of any infections? There's been similar comments about HSV1, that a lot of people have, but there's also Toxoplasmosis. If you look into it, so many people have both of these infections, but what are the side effects on the body? I think immune system is one part of the picture. I also think your bodies natural response to the environment has something to do with this. I've been way more social and have gotten WAY better social feedback from all angles in my life (positive feedback loop) and that has helped immensely with mood and feeling good all the time. When you combine a lot of these things, such as: poor immune system, conflicted social life, bad diet, and lack of exercise, I could see how the combination could manifest its self into mental illness. I'm still convinced pathogens have a high ranking in the cause of brain fog and emotional issues tho, social life being second, diet third and surprisingly exercise being last even though I initially thought it was number 1. It just made me feel good, but it didn't really get to the root of any issue for some reason.
- therein 7y ago
  Flushing your body with antibiotics will have a lot more side effects and lead to way more significant brainfog. Many even go as far as associating the onset of their "idiopathic chronic fatigue" with a specific instance they used an antibiotic.
- carlmr 7y ago
  >Is there a set of anti-biotics, anti-parasitical, anti-viral drugs that you could take in a row to try to flush the body of any infections? My uninformed guess is no, they probably lower your immune systems defenses. What you can do is work on your sleep hygiene, work out more, and eat lots of vegetables. Reduce milk, red meat, alcohol and caffeine. Basically anything that's known to cause inflammation (milk and meat) and bad sleep (alcohol and caffeine).
Cougher 7y ago
I've long been convinced that it's due to the routine chemical exposures that we accept as normal. It's difficult to go anywhere in the US without being exposed to hundreds of chemicals offgasing from products and people.
netwanderer3 7y ago
The human body just cannot get sick by itself without the impacts coming from external agents. In that sense, all illnesses are linked to some pathogens, and inflammation is simply a reaction of our immune system fighting them off. In my opinion, a lot of illnesses are really just a form of autoimmune disease. Our body must have been fighting some unknown pathogens for a really long time and without our awareness, eventually it just succumbed and triggered those conditions.

I've become convinced a lot of what we now consider mental illnesses are actually symptoms caused by unknown pathogens. Inflammation plays a big part in this.

by Vomzor 7y ago

I've become convinced a lot of what we now consider mental illnesses are actually symptoms caused by unknown pathogens. Inflammation plays a big part in this.

monological 7y ago

There’s a strong link between the common cold sore (Herpes simplex virus type 1) and amyloid beta buildup in the brain, which accumulates and severely impacts cognition. It’s estimated that around 67% of the entire world’s population has HSV-1. When your immune system weakens and the virus activates and comes out of dormancy, your body starts to pump out these amyloids to “protect” itself against the virus. The issue is that high levels of this peptide buildup leads to Alzheimers like symptoms. Over time, if you have poor sleep hygiene or under a lot of stress, the buildup reaches a point of significant aggregation causing “brain fog,” even without a confirmed diagnosis of Alzheimers. This is just my theory though. I’m not a doctor. It’s just my 2 cents. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2953363/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2953363/ https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1586/14787210.2014.887442 https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1586/14787210.2014.8... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26836158/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/26836158/

Vomzor 7y ago
To add on this. I believe Alzheimer’s is a set of symptoms causes by different bacteria and viruses. Not a disease in itself. And not one single virus or bacteria. See also the recent found link between Alzheimer's and dental bacteria. Or the link between Alzheimer’s and Lyme disease. Like this misdiagnosis: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kris-kristofferson-misdiagnosed-alzheimers-has-lyme-disease/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kris-kristofferson-misdiagnosed... And this: >In Miklossy’s work, Borrelia burgdorferi—the species of spirochete that causes Lyme, was identified in 451 out of the 495 Alzheimer’s-riddled brains they examined. Yet, her work at the time was derived by other researchers and until recently, she had difficulty securing funding. https://bigthink.com/philip-perry/could-a-pathogen-be-the-cause-of-alzheimers-disease https://bigthink.com/philip-perry/could-a-pathogen-be-the-ca...
- masonic 7y ago
  derived by other researchers Did they mean to write "derided by other researchers"?

rcconf 7y ago

I'm also convinced of the same thing, I don't know enough about biology, but I have days where I feel like the only thing that could be causing certain emotions is an infection that I don't know about. For example, I use to feel tired all the time, and I would get sick all the time. I swear I could "feel" that my immune system sucked and I constantly had to fight things off. Now I feel like my immune system is stronger, and it shows because I get sick so less often. My brain fog is basically gone and my energy levels are a lot higher. Every now and then it comes back, but recently I always wondered: Is there a set of anti-biotics, anti-parasitical, anti-viral drugs that you could take in a row to try to flush the body of any infections? There's been similar comments about HSV1, that a lot of people have, but there's also Toxoplasmosis. If you look into it, so many people have both of these infections, but what are the side effects on the body? I think immune system is one part of the picture. I also think your bodies natural response to the environment has something to do with this. I've been way more social and have gotten WAY better social feedback from all angles in my life (positive feedback loop) and that has helped immensely with mood and feeling good all the time. When you combine a lot of these things, such as: poor immune system, conflicted social life, bad diet, and lack of exercise, I could see how the combination could manifest its self into mental illness. I'm still convinced pathogens have a high ranking in the cause of brain fog and emotional issues tho, social life being second, diet third and surprisingly exercise being last even though I initially thought it was number 1. It just made me feel good, but it didn't really get to the root of any issue for some reason.

therein 7y ago
Flushing your body with antibiotics will have a lot more side effects and lead to way more significant brainfog. Many even go as far as associating the onset of their "idiopathic chronic fatigue" with a specific instance they used an antibiotic.
carlmr 7y ago
>Is there a set of anti-biotics, anti-parasitical, anti-viral drugs that you could take in a row to try to flush the body of any infections? My uninformed guess is no, they probably lower your immune systems defenses. What you can do is work on your sleep hygiene, work out more, and eat lots of vegetables. Reduce milk, red meat, alcohol and caffeine. Basically anything that's known to cause inflammation (milk and meat) and bad sleep (alcohol and caffeine).

Cougher 7y ago

I've long been convinced that it's due to the routine chemical exposures that we accept as normal. It's difficult to go anywhere in the US without being exposed to hundreds of chemicals offgasing from products and people.

netwanderer3 7y ago

The human body just cannot get sick by itself without the impacts coming from external agents. In that sense, all illnesses are linked to some pathogens, and inflammation is simply a reaction of our immune system fighting them off. In my opinion, a lot of illnesses are really just a form of autoimmune disease. Our body must have been fighting some unknown pathogens for a really long time and without our awareness, eventually it just succumbed and triggered those conditions.