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There's less than a million police in the US. More than half of them are desk/bureaucracy bound. It's probably more like 3/4 of them, not to mention many of th

There's less than a million police in the US. More than half of them are desk/bureaucracy bound. It's probably more like 3/4 of them, not to mention many of them will favor the gun owners, but let's be generous to the opposing argument and suppose all active street duty cops were in on it. So you are saying each police officer is going to arrest and remove weapons from 10 people scattered across millions of square miles. They will also need to ostensibly put those 5.5 million 'bad Americans' somewhere. We don't even have jails for that many people. You'd need literally a few million guards just to keep them. And that's just NRA members. There's many more gun owners than there are NRA members. Have you been in the US? Do you understand how insanely unrealistic this is? Lists are great when the people you want to hurt are small in number and weak in force. Neither applies here. A tyrant dictator could send the army, but again, way outnumbered. Not to mention how big the USA is, how rugged the terrain can be, and how well acquainted the locals are. Even just rounding people up is super hard when people WANT to cooperate (look at our response to natural disasters) The tyrant dictator can take over with tanks, no doubt. But then they would face a long, protracted guerrilla war with all freedom loving Americans. If Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, the founding of the USA, etc have taught us anything, is that you can conquer, but holding a territory is a whole other ball game. And holding is where it's at.

bsanr2 7y ago
I imagine we'd do it like Australia did, where the cop/population and population/land ratios are presumably even worse.
- 4ntonius8lock 7y ago
  I'm not very well acquainted with what happened in Australia. Since you are bringing them up, you must be. So tell me gun ownership statistics for Australia and participation in gun ownership organizations. I'd be interested to hear what happened there and learn. I mean I know they pretty much disarmed, and I've seen the positive statistics paraded by anti-gun supporters, but I've yet to hear about the details of what % of the population was armed, what % the population supported disarming, ratio between gun owners and cops, etc. That would say a lot about the feasibility comparison. Since you are implying the feasibility of disarmament was worse in Australia, I'd love to learn about the exact details that allowed you to come to your educated conclusion that it's worse in Australia. I'm always happy to learn about things I didn't know about. Unless that is you are just assuming. Like when you said 'take their guns' without even considering feasibility and then you ignored posts that confront you with contradictory evidence to your assumptions. There's a certain type of attitude that will base their conclusions on made up information (aka assumed... I can't say you are presuming as you don't seem to have the data needed to make this about probability), without bothering to check or even ignoring contradictory realities as perceived and recorded by human consensus. It's not very pretty.
  - bsanr2 7y ago
    >I'm always happy to learn about things I didn't know about. If this is true, you'll be happy to do your own research. The Australian experience with an assault weapon ban, gun buybacks, and a firearms registry is well-known to anyone remotely serious about gun ownership discourse, and the fact that you aren't familiar with it casts into doubt the ostensible good faith with which you've approached me with this short essay of glib intellectual overextension. The italicized "ass" in "assuming" is cute, and also 100% against HN's code of conduct, by the way.
    - 4ntonius8lock 7y ago
      So now the burden of proof is on me to prove your claims right? Sorry kiddo, that's not how the world works. In terms of Australia, I know about it. But I don't know it in depth. That's why I ask for information. I try to avoid running my mouth on things I don't much know about. It helps me avoid speaking in a way that I might feel embarrassed about latter.
  - shadowgovt 7y ago
    Gun buyback program.

bsanr2 7y ago

I imagine we'd do it like Australia did, where the cop/population and population/land ratios are presumably even worse.

4ntonius8lock 7y ago
I'm not very well acquainted with what happened in Australia. Since you are bringing them up, you must be. So tell me gun ownership statistics for Australia and participation in gun ownership organizations. I'd be interested to hear what happened there and learn. I mean I know they pretty much disarmed, and I've seen the positive statistics paraded by anti-gun supporters, but I've yet to hear about the details of what % of the population was armed, what % the population supported disarming, ratio between gun owners and cops, etc. That would say a lot about the feasibility comparison. Since you are implying the feasibility of disarmament was worse in Australia, I'd love to learn about the exact details that allowed you to come to your educated conclusion that it's worse in Australia. I'm always happy to learn about things I didn't know about. Unless that is you are just assuming. Like when you said 'take their guns' without even considering feasibility and then you ignored posts that confront you with contradictory evidence to your assumptions. There's a certain type of attitude that will base their conclusions on made up information (aka assumed... I can't say you are presuming as you don't seem to have the data needed to make this about probability), without bothering to check or even ignoring contradictory realities as perceived and recorded by human consensus. It's not very pretty.
- bsanr2 7y ago
  >I'm always happy to learn about things I didn't know about. If this is true, you'll be happy to do your own research. The Australian experience with an assault weapon ban, gun buybacks, and a firearms registry is well-known to anyone remotely serious about gun ownership discourse, and the fact that you aren't familiar with it casts into doubt the ostensible good faith with which you've approached me with this short essay of glib intellectual overextension. The italicized "ass" in "assuming" is cute, and also 100% against HN's code of conduct, by the way.
  - 4ntonius8lock 7y ago
    So now the burden of proof is on me to prove your claims right? Sorry kiddo, that's not how the world works. In terms of Australia, I know about it. But I don't know it in depth. That's why I ask for information. I try to avoid running my mouth on things I don't much know about. It helps me avoid speaking in a way that I might feel embarrassed about latter.
- shadowgovt 7y ago
  Gun buyback program.