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Are your parents here with legal status? My parents have been legal permanent residents for half a century. Their only worry over the years has been if they wer

Are your parents here with legal status? My parents have been legal permanent residents for half a century. Their only worry over the years has been if they were ever detained "back home" would they be able to somehow get back to the United States. If your parents have legal status, not sure why ICE would be relevant to their lives or yours.

cranky_coder 7y ago
Because time and time ICE has shown it has a remarkable ability to define “legal status” as it sees fit. Consider the fake college ICE[0] used to arrest and deport immigrants; they were granted Student Visas and believed they were here legally. What would your advice be to them? Your position seems to start from an assumption that these institutions are acting in good faith, and so it’s illogical to decry an institution if it doesn’t directly impact you. I pray you look at the gamut of evidence available that shows this simply isn’t the case. [0] https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2019/11/27/more-than-250-immigrants-arrested-at-fake-college-set-up-by-ice-in-michigan%3fmedia=AMP%2bHTML https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/ar...
- cblum 7y ago
  This must be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard of. Imagine the cost of setting all that up, and going through the process with each student to get their visas. Only to tell them on arrival they’ve been tricked. What exactly were they trying to accomplish with that?
- Forbo 7y ago
  Non-AMP link: https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2019/11/27/more-than-250-immigrants-arrested-at-fake-college-set-up-by-ice-in-michigan https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2019/11/27/mor...
- oh_sigh 7y ago
  > "Their true intent could not be clearer," Assistant U.S. Attorney Brandon Helms wrote in a sentencing memo earlier this month. "While 'enrolled' at the University, one hundred percent of the foreign citizen students never spent a single second in a classroom. If it were truly about obtaining an education, the University would not have been able to attract anyone, because it had no teachers, classes, or educational services."
ianleeclark 7y ago
ICE has captured and held nearly 1500 American citizens for varying durations, one man for nearly 1300 days. That's life ruining.
- cblum 7y ago
  Source?
  - Forbo 7y ago
    Still working on the first part, but here's a source for the second: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038/u-s-citizen-held-by-immigration-for-3-years-denied-compensation-by-appeals-court https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038... Edit: This appears further down that article: > "Those data show that from 2007 through July of last year, 693 U.S. citizens were held in local jails on federal detainers — in other words, at the request of immigration officials. And 818 more Americans were held in immigration detention centers during that same time frame, according to data obtained through a separate FOIA request by Northwestern University professor Jacqueline Stevens and analyzed by NPR." 693 + 818 = 1,511
    - nopriorarrests 7y ago
      From 2007 through 2017. 1511 people, or 151 person per year. And they were just detained, not shot dead or sent to gulags forever. Now, honest question, no sarcasm. ~100 people die EACH DAY in car crashes in USA. 25 people die annually due to lightning strikes. Is there any chance to not being depressed with all of that stats? I mean, if 150 detentions per year in nation of 327 million people (0.000045%) make you depressed and terrified, what are your chance to feel yourself content and happy?
      - fzeroracer 7y ago
        The difference is that one of those is the result of accidents and natural phenomenon, the other is the result of a government secret police detaining people indefinitely and going against the founding principles of this country. Those are the numbers they were willing to give up, too. I assume you don't see the problem with the government choosing to just pull American citizens off the street?

cranky_coder 7y ago

Because time and time ICE has shown it has a remarkable ability to define “legal status” as it sees fit. Consider the fake college ICE[0] used to arrest and deport immigrants; they were granted Student Visas and believed they were here legally. What would your advice be to them? Your position seems to start from an assumption that these institutions are acting in good faith, and so it’s illogical to decry an institution if it doesn’t directly impact you. I pray you look at the gamut of evidence available that shows this simply isn’t the case. [0] https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2019/11/27/more-than-250-immigrants-arrested-at-fake-college-set-up-by-ice-in-michigan%3fmedia=AMP%2bHTML https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/ar...

cblum 7y ago
This must be one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard of. Imagine the cost of setting all that up, and going through the process with each student to get their visas. Only to tell them on arrival they’ve been tricked. What exactly were they trying to accomplish with that?
Forbo 7y ago
Non-AMP link: https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2019/11/27/more-than-250-immigrants-arrested-at-fake-college-set-up-by-ice-in-michigan https://www.metrotimes.com/news-hits/archives/2019/11/27/mor...
oh_sigh 7y ago
> "Their true intent could not be clearer," Assistant U.S. Attorney Brandon Helms wrote in a sentencing memo earlier this month. "While 'enrolled' at the University, one hundred percent of the foreign citizen students never spent a single second in a classroom. If it were truly about obtaining an education, the University would not have been able to attract anyone, because it had no teachers, classes, or educational services."

ianleeclark 7y ago

ICE has captured and held nearly 1500 American citizens for varying durations, one man for nearly 1300 days. That's life ruining.

cblum 7y ago
Source?
- Forbo 7y ago
  Still working on the first part, but here's a source for the second: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038/u-s-citizen-held-by-immigration-for-3-years-denied-compensation-by-appeals-court https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/01/540903038... Edit: This appears further down that article: > "Those data show that from 2007 through July of last year, 693 U.S. citizens were held in local jails on federal detainers — in other words, at the request of immigration officials. And 818 more Americans were held in immigration detention centers during that same time frame, according to data obtained through a separate FOIA request by Northwestern University professor Jacqueline Stevens and analyzed by NPR." 693 + 818 = 1,511
  - nopriorarrests 7y ago
    From 2007 through 2017. 1511 people, or 151 person per year. And they were just detained, not shot dead or sent to gulags forever. Now, honest question, no sarcasm. ~100 people die EACH DAY in car crashes in USA. 25 people die annually due to lightning strikes. Is there any chance to not being depressed with all of that stats? I mean, if 150 detentions per year in nation of 327 million people (0.000045%) make you depressed and terrified, what are your chance to feel yourself content and happy?
    - fzeroracer 7y ago
      The difference is that one of those is the result of accidents and natural phenomenon, the other is the result of a government secret police detaining people indefinitely and going against the founding principles of this country. Those are the numbers they were willing to give up, too. I assume you don't see the problem with the government choosing to just pull American citizens off the street?