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First, you’re conflating language with national identity here, second you’re completely ignoring Crimean tatars that we’re repressed and mass deported from Crim
by keymone 7y ago
First, you’re conflating language with national identity here, second you’re completely ignoring Crimean tatars that we’re repressed and mass deported from Crimea by Stalin, third you’re not making any sense anyway, because just because major chunk of local population wants to secede - can’t be ground for annexation and starting war, that’s just idiotic.
- polski-g 7y agoThe Ukrainian/Russian mainland war is a separate issue from Russians living in Crimea wanting to be reunited with their countrymen.
- brutt 7y agoUkrainians, which are living in RF, are wanting to be reunited with Ukraine, so let's start the war!
- drran 7y agoHmm. How you will slice Russia? Even USA cannot do that, because of (real) fear of MAD. It's better to not spread something like that. Empire will fall on it own, just wait.
- trymas 7y agoWhere did you het this idea? If they want to be reunited, then how about they use one way ticket to Moscow and enjoy the motherland..
- cpursley 7y agoI agree with this 100%. Russia is huge and big enough. Just move instead of bringing death and destruction to your village.
- trymas 7y agoAnd that's what former Soviet citizens living in Ukraine's Crimea should've done... But I guess strong helping hand from father putin was just too convenient for them..
- polski-g 7y agoFrom their 80% vote to join Russia when given the option
- keymone 7y agoYeah, right, vote under gunpoint of Russian soldiers, organized by Russian side, counted by Russian side, all completed in just two weeks during which the whole peninsula was filled with propaganda claiming Ukraine was taken over by nazi junta so the Choice is either nazi or Russia. What are you doing on hn?
- trymas 7y agoI would like to believe the person you are responding to is very naive, but looking at the account, the comments it makes (most of the comments in the last 2 weeks) and the karma comments receive.. It's either a member of fifth column [0] (could be unwillingly - by accident) or a troll/bot [1] [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_column https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_column [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency#Trolling_themes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency#Troll...
- cpursley 7y agoJust because someone does not have the mainstream western view does not make them a troll. Suggesting so is intellectually lazy. People are still allowed to think for themselves. Yes, the Crimean vote was a scam. The way that Crimea was forcefully annexed is certainly not ideal and out of line with modern norms. But that doesn't mean that Crimeans didn't want to rejoin Russia. Both can be true.
- keymone 7y ago> Yes, the Crimean vote was a scam. The way that Crimea was forcefully annexed is certainly not ideal and out of line with modern norms. But that doesn't mean that Crimeans didn't want to rejoin Russia. this line of thinking is not irrational but still very harmful to civilization as a whole. a belief that some chunk of population wants to secede can never be used as grounds for annexation, it should only be used to influence internal political affairs. calling annexation on such grounds "not ideal" is understating it to the point where i can rationally conclude your goal is to just see the civilization burn to the ground. which coincidentally is exactly the kind of views that russian government trolls promote in all corners of the internet. yes, "Both can be true", but you don't know if the latter is true without holding a proper referendum with both sides of the question represented fairly and debated widely so that citizens are well informed/educated when going to vote. and that means you should condemn in strongest terms what russia has done (or any other country involved in similar conflict), not just meekly call it "not ideal".
- vogre 7y agoThey did exactly this, except they used the whole peninsula as transport.