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What a world we live in! Each country gets its own version of alternative reality.

hollander 7y ago
It should be marked as disputed, from both sides, like "agreed to disagree". Think what would happen if the UK took back Hong Kong, or if Hong Kong declared itself independent. We - westerners - would all love that and accept it immediately. Would we have a problem then with Apple if they showed HK as a separate country?
- pjc50 7y ago
  You might want to have a look at Taiwan.
- nmeofthestate 7y ago
  "It should be marked as disputed" That's not how international law works. By all means maps may be tailored to suit the preferences of markets/countries, but military conquest of a territory doesn't convert it to a "disputed" status. Currently the internationally-recognised borders between Ukraine/Russia are well-defined. > We - westerners - would all love [the UK invading and annexing Hong Kong] and accept it immediately. What rot!
  - gnode 7y ago
    Both Russia and Ukraine claim the territory of Crimea, and it is therefore disputed. > but military conquest of a territory doesn't convert it to a "disputed" status. Many territories are disputed without conflict. If military conquest, occupation and de facto control of a territory doesn't reify a dispute, then nothing does. For examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes
gmueckl 7y ago
That's not a new thing. Maps have been political for ages. Mandating the shape of border lines on maps has been a part of many border disputes. Also, it's eye opening to read or watch news from other countries. There's a big country-specific bias in the selection of international news stories. This bias is a necessary evil, but it can have a huge political and cultural impact.
kinkrtyavimoodh 7y ago
That's not surprising given that borders are not in any way "reality". They are mutually agreed upon conventions that, well, not everyone agrees upon. It should be no more surprising than having a British English dictionary and an American English dictionary, only with higher stakes.
- vbezhenar 7y ago
  Many borders are reality. Try to trespass a border and watch who captures you. That's the entity which controls the border.
  - hmage 7y ago
    Depends in which direction.
  - deleted 7y ago
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jobigoud 7y ago
This scenario is so common and the list of disputed territories is so long that it should be a standard. It could be a bit like the timezones, the locale, or the decimal point separator, or other things like that. It should be an option at the OS level that you can configure, not be forced into. There should be a common database that you can integrate in your map, a bit like timezone historical records, and the user should be able to see the map as claimed by any given country/territory. By default this could depend on your location or locale but it should definitely be possible to always see the map as the other side of the dispute has it, and to configure your device so that it shows maps (for all map software on the device), from a given perspective.

It should be marked as disputed, from both sides, like "agreed to disagree". Think what would happen if the UK took back Hong Kong, or if Hong Kong declared itself independent. We - westerners - would all love that and accept it immediately. Would we have a problem then with Apple if they showed HK as a separate country?

pjc50 7y ago
You might want to have a look at Taiwan.
nmeofthestate 7y ago
"It should be marked as disputed" That's not how international law works. By all means maps may be tailored to suit the preferences of markets/countries, but military conquest of a territory doesn't convert it to a "disputed" status. Currently the internationally-recognised borders between Ukraine/Russia are well-defined. > We - westerners - would all love [the UK invading and annexing Hong Kong] and accept it immediately. What rot!
- gnode 7y ago
  Both Russia and Ukraine claim the territory of Crimea, and it is therefore disputed. > but military conquest of a territory doesn't convert it to a "disputed" status. Many territories are disputed without conflict. If military conquest, occupation and de facto control of a territory doesn't reify a dispute, then nothing does. For examples: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_territorial_disputes

gmueckl 7y ago

That's not a new thing. Maps have been political for ages. Mandating the shape of border lines on maps has been a part of many border disputes. Also, it's eye opening to read or watch news from other countries. There's a big country-specific bias in the selection of international news stories. This bias is a necessary evil, but it can have a huge political and cultural impact.

kinkrtyavimoodh 7y ago

That's not surprising given that borders are not in any way "reality". They are mutually agreed upon conventions that, well, not everyone agrees upon. It should be no more surprising than having a British English dictionary and an American English dictionary, only with higher stakes.

vbezhenar 7y ago
Many borders are reality. Try to trespass a border and watch who captures you. That's the entity which controls the border.
- hmage 7y ago
  Depends in which direction.
- deleted 7y ago
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jobigoud 7y ago

This scenario is so common and the list of disputed territories is so long that it should be a standard. It could be a bit like the timezones, the locale, or the decimal point separator, or other things like that. It should be an option at the OS level that you can configure, not be forced into. There should be a common database that you can integrate in your map, a bit like timezone historical records, and the user should be able to see the map as claimed by any given country/territory. By default this could depend on your location or locale but it should definitely be possible to always see the map as the other side of the dispute has it, and to configure your device so that it shows maps (for all map software on the device), from a given perspective.