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>But in saying so, the XR spokesperson had grossly misrepresented the science. “There is robust evidence of disasters displacing people worldwide,” notes IPCC,

>But in saying so, the XR spokesperson had grossly misrepresented the science. “There is robust evidence of disasters displacing people worldwide,” notes IPCC, “but limited evidence that climate change or sea-level rise is the direct cause” This has been bothering me a lot lately, journalists/reporters are running wild, blaming all kinds of droughts, wildfires, and migrations on climate change, particularly on NPR, but the truth is that these claims are no more valid than deniers claiming unusual snowfall to be evidence against climate change. Only long term, aggregate statistical data is a valid proxy for the effects of climate change - one cannot cherry pick events for a phenomenon which really has relatively tiny observable features on local time and space scales.

js8 7y ago
IPCC itself is conservative, but IMHO there have been scientific studies establishing the link. Of course you cannot attribute a single event to it, but a single event can still serve as a warning.
jmull 7y ago
> Only long term, aggregate statistical data is a valid proxy for the effects of climate change It's not like it's hard to find. You can quibble about how certain media outlets or stories make the point, but the overall point is both true and important: climate change is real.
- allovernow 7y ago
  > but the overall point is both true and important: climate change is real. That doesn't excuse bad reporting, which is my point.
SlowRobotAhead 7y ago
Yes. The gloom and doomers hurt “the cause”, some of us have been saying that this for years. There are many in this thread. And YES, it’s crazy frustrating when “weather is not climate - unless I’m trying to prove climate change”. Many religious believers who argue they’re interested in “the science” are just as stubborn and bull headed as the deniers. But, anyone who questions whether a global tax designed to keep a specific group in power and really just call for global socialism is the only solution is automatically “a denier”, so there is that too. I’m with you, I find the die hards on the topic to be highly ineffective in convincing me of their point let alone actual skeptics.

js8 7y ago

IPCC itself is conservative, but IMHO there have been scientific studies establishing the link. Of course you cannot attribute a single event to it, but a single event can still serve as a warning.

jmull 7y ago

> Only long term, aggregate statistical data is a valid proxy for the effects of climate change It's not like it's hard to find. You can quibble about how certain media outlets or stories make the point, but the overall point is both true and important: climate change is real.

allovernow 7y ago
> but the overall point is both true and important: climate change is real. That doesn't excuse bad reporting, which is my point.

SlowRobotAhead 7y ago

Yes. The gloom and doomers hurt “the cause”, some of us have been saying that this for years. There are many in this thread. And YES, it’s crazy frustrating when “weather is not climate - unless I’m trying to prove climate change”. Many religious believers who argue they’re interested in “the science” are just as stubborn and bull headed as the deniers. But, anyone who questions whether a global tax designed to keep a specific group in power and really just call for global socialism is the only solution is automatically “a denier”, so there is that too. I’m with you, I find the die hards on the topic to be highly ineffective in convincing me of their point let alone actual skeptics.