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Our tax dollars at work... It sickens me that the Federal Government is allowed to waste money on this type of things while there are people dying from a lack o

Our tax dollars at work... It sickens me that the Federal Government is allowed to waste money on this type of things while there are people dying from a lack of access to insulin here in the the USA becasuse of the cost. Why not simply let people come and work here if they so choice and use the taxes we collect to support our failing education and social services system. #AbolishICE

rufus_3 7y ago
Should American workers be happy to "simply let people come and work here" when their wages have been stagnant for decades? https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us...
- amanaplanacanal 7y ago
  I dunno. We have so many things that are holding down wages right now, including globalization, automation, and changes to tax laws which make it easier for profits to go to capital instead of labor. Do we actually have good evidence that immigration has much of an effect?
  - toomuchtodo 7y ago
    https://www.npr.org/2017/08/04/541321716/fact-check-have-low-skilled-immigrants-taken-american-jobs https://www.npr.org/2017/08/04/541321716/fact-check-have-low... https://www.nap.edu/read/23550/chapter/2 https://www.nap.edu/read/23550/chapter/2
Jamwinner 7y ago
Border security is not casual racism. Nobody takes seriously a notion to stop having borders in a nation literally defined by them. While many actions of the current system are reprehensible, the response is reform, or even a clean-sheet design. But loss of sovergnity is not on the table.
- VistaBrokeMyPC 7y ago
  Thank you, and well said. It bothers me when I get called a racist and a xenophobe for saying that border security is necessary, but the current admin has taken it too far. It's not black and white! We can't let everyone in. That just doesn't work - some security is necessary. Turning people away for vague reasons or race/country of origin when they otherwise would be let in is a whole other can of worms though.
- Accujack 7y ago
  >Border security is not casual racism. However, ICE is filled with casual racists.
  - _monster_ 7y ago
    Stop being negative, hateful and hurtful. Be positive and tolerant of everyone. Diversity is our strength. Your bigotry is not welcome here.
- nighthawk24 7y ago
  You might want to learn about the country specific caps and how bills like S.386 were passed in congress buy blocked by Sen. Durbin to keep the "casual racism" going. This is also the reason why people from India enroll in colleges that have weekend classes in order to maintain their legal status while in-between jobs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6LGNijSCCc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6LGNijSCCc
downerending 7y ago
Idealistically, it seems we could just let everyone do what they want, and it will all work out. As we're seeing over the last few years, this doesn't work. Lobby to change the laws to whatever they "should" be, and enforce them. Personally I'm behind whatever Congress decides, but I'm very much not behind lawlessness.

rufus_3 7y ago

Should American workers be happy to "simply let people come and work here" when their wages have been stagnant for decades? https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us-workers-real-wages-have-barely-budged-for-decades/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/08/07/for-most-us...

amanaplanacanal 7y ago
I dunno. We have so many things that are holding down wages right now, including globalization, automation, and changes to tax laws which make it easier for profits to go to capital instead of labor. Do we actually have good evidence that immigration has much of an effect?
- toomuchtodo 7y ago
  https://www.npr.org/2017/08/04/541321716/fact-check-have-low-skilled-immigrants-taken-american-jobs https://www.npr.org/2017/08/04/541321716/fact-check-have-low... https://www.nap.edu/read/23550/chapter/2 https://www.nap.edu/read/23550/chapter/2

Jamwinner 7y ago

Border security is not casual racism. Nobody takes seriously a notion to stop having borders in a nation literally defined by them. While many actions of the current system are reprehensible, the response is reform, or even a clean-sheet design. But loss of sovergnity is not on the table.

VistaBrokeMyPC 7y ago
Thank you, and well said. It bothers me when I get called a racist and a xenophobe for saying that border security is necessary, but the current admin has taken it too far. It's not black and white! We can't let everyone in. That just doesn't work - some security is necessary. Turning people away for vague reasons or race/country of origin when they otherwise would be let in is a whole other can of worms though.
Accujack 7y ago
>Border security is not casual racism. However, ICE is filled with casual racists.
- _monster_ 7y ago
  Stop being negative, hateful and hurtful. Be positive and tolerant of everyone. Diversity is our strength. Your bigotry is not welcome here.
nighthawk24 7y ago
You might want to learn about the country specific caps and how bills like S.386 were passed in congress buy blocked by Sen. Durbin to keep the "casual racism" going. This is also the reason why people from India enroll in colleges that have weekend classes in order to maintain their legal status while in-between jobs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6LGNijSCCc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6LGNijSCCc

downerending 7y ago

Idealistically, it seems we could just let everyone do what they want, and it will all work out. As we're seeing over the last few years, this doesn't work. Lobby to change the laws to whatever they "should" be, and enforce them. Personally I'm behind whatever Congress decides, but I'm very much not behind lawlessness.