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Could also be labeled "Meta-Surveillance: How to make a list of everyone interested in Surveillance" given that it's hosted as a google drive document instead o

Could also be labeled "Meta-Surveillance: How to make a list of everyone interested in Surveillance" given that it's hosted as a google drive document instead of _any other sane format in the world_.

testuser66 7y ago
It's a PDF.
- deleted 7y ago
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- ForHackernews 7y ago
  Hosted on Google drive for some reason. It'd be interesting to see what inferences Google makes about people accessing files on g-drive.
  - prophesi 7y ago
    Yeah, if you're logged in to Google and access this file, it will now appear in your list of recent Drive files.
- cousin_it 7y ago
  I know what PDFs look like, they don't have my Google account in the upper right corner. It's a Google page wrapped around a PDF.
  - Hitton 7y ago
    >they don't have my Google account in the upper right corner I don't understand how can someone who doesn't even bother to logout out of his google account or use something like firefox containers care about privacy. The document has to be hosted somewhere no matter what and google drive isn't any worse than random web page which uses google analytics.
    - soup10 7y ago
      Privacy and convenience don't have to be trade-offs.
    - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
      If you set up containers to quarantine all Google stuff in one container this is still going to open in that container.
    - semiotagonal 7y ago
      Doesn't Google Drive show the identity of someone reading the document to other people reading it, or at least the owner? That's worse than just collecting analytics internally at Google.
      - shadowgovt 7y ago
        No. If you aren't authenticated, it shows your presence in a shared document as "anonymous [metastable animal designator]"
        semiotagonal 7y ago
        I should have made it clear I was assuming that people were authenticated to their Google account. I think most people who use GMail never log out, and might not check the URL and realize they were navigating to a Google doc.
        SiempreViernes 7y ago
        Then you entirely missed the point of the comment you replied to: that if you willingly impose google surveillance on yourself you really don't have any space to complain about being reminded of it.
        semiotagonal 7y ago
        I think you're missing my point that even if you willingly impose Google surveillance on yourself, Google Drive is still worse than Google Analytics because your personally identifiable activity is visible to the author and/or other readers, not just Google.
  - brudgers 7y ago
    If your Google account is in the corner it’s because you’re surfing the web while logged into Google.
DyslexicAtheist 7y ago
or those who shared it simply wanted to distribute this to anyone who participated in the event (this reading list seems to be a follow-up deliverable): https://lawweb.colorado.edu/events/details.jsp?id=8376 https://lawweb.colorado.edu/events/details.jsp?id=8376 and https://twitter.com/alvarombedoya/status/1168933978029678592?lang=en https://twitter.com/alvarombedoya/status/1168933978029678592... fwiw, there is no need to authenticate with google to download the pdf (tor works fine too if anyone is too paranoid).
- dalore 7y ago
  There is no need true, but if clicked and was logged into google, they now know. True I should have use an incognito but the point is there.
- rhizome 7y ago
  Your ISP knows what IP you use, and Google has your ISP's phone number.
paggle 7y ago
The signal value of “being exposed to a link about surveillance and clicking it” is pretty darn low. Unless you’re in North Korea I wouldn’t worry about it.
hackerbrother 7y ago
? It's a cheap way to host a file
jascii 7y ago
>given that it's hosted as a google drive document While an amusing irony, the reality is that -- without special measures -- 99% of content either is hosted on or routed through infrastructure owned by companies with less than stellar history regarding privacy..

Could also be labeled "Meta-Surveillance: How to make a list of everyone interested in Surveillance" given that it's hosted as a google drive document instead of _any other sane format in the world_.

testuser66 7y ago

It's a PDF.

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ForHackernews 7y ago
Hosted on Google drive for some reason. It'd be interesting to see what inferences Google makes about people accessing files on g-drive.
- prophesi 7y ago
  Yeah, if you're logged in to Google and access this file, it will now appear in your list of recent Drive files.
cousin_it 7y ago
I know what PDFs look like, they don't have my Google account in the upper right corner. It's a Google page wrapped around a PDF.
- Hitton 7y ago
  >they don't have my Google account in the upper right corner I don't understand how can someone who doesn't even bother to logout out of his google account or use something like firefox containers care about privacy. The document has to be hosted somewhere no matter what and google drive isn't any worse than random web page which uses google analytics.
  - soup10 7y ago
    Privacy and convenience don't have to be trade-offs.
  - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
    If you set up containers to quarantine all Google stuff in one container this is still going to open in that container.
  - semiotagonal 7y ago
    Doesn't Google Drive show the identity of someone reading the document to other people reading it, or at least the owner? That's worse than just collecting analytics internally at Google.
    - shadowgovt 7y ago
      No. If you aren't authenticated, it shows your presence in a shared document as "anonymous [metastable animal designator]"
      - semiotagonal 7y ago
        I should have made it clear I was assuming that people were authenticated to their Google account. I think most people who use GMail never log out, and might not check the URL and realize they were navigating to a Google doc.
        SiempreViernes 7y ago
        Then you entirely missed the point of the comment you replied to: that if you willingly impose google surveillance on yourself you really don't have any space to complain about being reminded of it.
        semiotagonal 7y ago
        I think you're missing my point that even if you willingly impose Google surveillance on yourself, Google Drive is still worse than Google Analytics because your personally identifiable activity is visible to the author and/or other readers, not just Google.
- brudgers 7y ago
  If your Google account is in the corner it’s because you’re surfing the web while logged into Google.

DyslexicAtheist 7y ago

or those who shared it simply wanted to distribute this to anyone who participated in the event (this reading list seems to be a follow-up deliverable): https://lawweb.colorado.edu/events/details.jsp?id=8376 https://lawweb.colorado.edu/events/details.jsp?id=8376 and https://twitter.com/alvarombedoya/status/1168933978029678592?lang=en https://twitter.com/alvarombedoya/status/1168933978029678592... fwiw, there is no need to authenticate with google to download the pdf (tor works fine too if anyone is too paranoid).

dalore 7y ago
There is no need true, but if clicked and was logged into google, they now know. True I should have use an incognito but the point is there.
rhizome 7y ago
Your ISP knows what IP you use, and Google has your ISP's phone number.

paggle 7y ago

The signal value of “being exposed to a link about surveillance and clicking it” is pretty darn low. Unless you’re in North Korea I wouldn’t worry about it.

hackerbrother 7y ago

? It's a cheap way to host a file

jascii 7y ago

>given that it's hosted as a google drive document While an amusing irony, the reality is that -- without special measures -- 99% of content either is hosted on or routed through infrastructure owned by companies with less than stellar history regarding privacy..