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Well, this guy was killed after exposing a massive conspiracy and even the official story is that he was assassinated - albeit by small time random crooks. Conv

Well, this guy was killed after exposing a massive conspiracy and even the official story is that he was assassinated - albeit by small time random crooks. Conversely, Seth Rich hasn't been shown to be involved in anything that might motivate someone to have him killed. The only evidence that he was involved in something, that I'm aware of, is a cryptic comment from Asange. Surely it's good to be skeptical, but being so skeptical that you draw incorrect equivalences between Russia and the US may be taking things too far.

powdertreason85 7y ago
Found murdered with gunshot wound to the back. Police claimed it was robbery yet his wallet, cellphone, creditcards, and laptop weren't taken. > The only evidence that he was involved in something, that I'm aware of, is a cryptic comment from Asange. Well, that and basic commonsense. If it wasn't Seth Rich who leaked the e-mails, who was it? It's far more plausible that it was Seth Rich than the russia boogeyman thrown out by the media (without evidence, mind you).
- codyb 7y ago
  US Intelligence as well as several independent cyber security firms concluded the DNC e-mails were leaked after an attack by Guccifer 2.0. This was followed up by several indictments issued by Special Counsel Robert Mueller which would have to be tried in a federal courtroom were they ever to occur. That seems to be a fair bit of evidence. Is everything a conspiracy now? It’s quite clear Russia meddled in the 2016 elections, and they’ll probably do it again in 2020 (if they didn’t already do it again in 2018).
  - creaghpatr 7y ago
    US intelligence never examined the physical server, the cyber security firm was a client of the DNC, intel community simply accepted the findings without verification.
    - wil421 7y ago
      Do you have a source? Here’s just one my sources[1]. According to most of stuff I’ve read the Dutch hacked Cozy Bear and were able to see they were hacking the DNC and State Department in real time. Much better Dutch article here[2]. It even mentions Muller. [1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/dutch-intelligence-hacked-video-cameras-in-office-of-russians-who-hacked-dnc/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/dutch... [2] https://www.volkskrant.nl/wetenschap/dutch-agencies-provide-crucial-intel-about-russia-s-interference-in-us-elections~b4f8111b/ https://www.volkskrant.nl/wetenschap/dutch-agencies-provide-...
    - keymone 7y ago
      > But on one occasion (...) Guccifer failed to activate the VPN client before logging on. As a result, he left a real, Moscow-based Internet Protocol address in the server logs of an American social media company. (...) Working off the IP address, U.S. investigators identified Guccifer 2.0 as a particular GRU officer working out of the agency’s headquarters on Grizodubovoy Street in Moscow. https://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-lone-dnc-hacker-guccifer-20-slipped-up-and-revealed-he-was-a-russian-intelligence-officer https://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-lone-dnc-hacker-gucc... seems like intel community did plenty of their own investigations into this.
    - pacerwpg 7y ago
      I think you have the relationship backwards. The DNC was a client of the cyber security firm. That cyber security firm also has the NRCC as a client.
- mcphage 7y ago
  > It's far more plausible that it was Seth Rich than the russia boogeyman thrown out by the media (without evidence, mind you). Well, plus the giant multi-year investigation into it by multiple intelligence agencies which all came to the same conclusion. They even published some reports, maybe you read one of them? Also indicted a lot of people.
- keymone 7y ago
  > If it wasn't Seth Rich who leaked the e-mails, who was it? can't explain something, picks favorite conspiracy theory to explain it. makes sense.
  - mcphage 7y ago
    What if chemtrails are really the leaked emails?!

powdertreason85 7y ago

Found murdered with gunshot wound to the back. Police claimed it was robbery yet his wallet, cellphone, creditcards, and laptop weren't taken. > The only evidence that he was involved in something, that I'm aware of, is a cryptic comment from Asange. Well, that and basic commonsense. If it wasn't Seth Rich who leaked the e-mails, who was it? It's far more plausible that it was Seth Rich than the russia boogeyman thrown out by the media (without evidence, mind you).

codyb 7y ago
US Intelligence as well as several independent cyber security firms concluded the DNC e-mails were leaked after an attack by Guccifer 2.0. This was followed up by several indictments issued by Special Counsel Robert Mueller which would have to be tried in a federal courtroom were they ever to occur. That seems to be a fair bit of evidence. Is everything a conspiracy now? It’s quite clear Russia meddled in the 2016 elections, and they’ll probably do it again in 2020 (if they didn’t already do it again in 2018).
- creaghpatr 7y ago
  US intelligence never examined the physical server, the cyber security firm was a client of the DNC, intel community simply accepted the findings without verification.
  - wil421 7y ago
    Do you have a source? Here’s just one my sources[1]. According to most of stuff I’ve read the Dutch hacked Cozy Bear and were able to see they were hacking the DNC and State Department in real time. Much better Dutch article here[2]. It even mentions Muller. [1] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/dutch-intelligence-hacked-video-cameras-in-office-of-russians-who-hacked-dnc/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/dutch... [2] https://www.volkskrant.nl/wetenschap/dutch-agencies-provide-crucial-intel-about-russia-s-interference-in-us-elections~b4f8111b/ https://www.volkskrant.nl/wetenschap/dutch-agencies-provide-...
  - keymone 7y ago
    > But on one occasion (...) Guccifer failed to activate the VPN client before logging on. As a result, he left a real, Moscow-based Internet Protocol address in the server logs of an American social media company. (...) Working off the IP address, U.S. investigators identified Guccifer 2.0 as a particular GRU officer working out of the agency’s headquarters on Grizodubovoy Street in Moscow. https://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-lone-dnc-hacker-guccifer-20-slipped-up-and-revealed-he-was-a-russian-intelligence-officer https://www.thedailybeast.com/exclusive-lone-dnc-hacker-gucc... seems like intel community did plenty of their own investigations into this.
  - pacerwpg 7y ago
    I think you have the relationship backwards. The DNC was a client of the cyber security firm. That cyber security firm also has the NRCC as a client.
mcphage 7y ago
> It's far more plausible that it was Seth Rich than the russia boogeyman thrown out by the media (without evidence, mind you). Well, plus the giant multi-year investigation into it by multiple intelligence agencies which all came to the same conclusion. They even published some reports, maybe you read one of them? Also indicted a lot of people.
keymone 7y ago
> If it wasn't Seth Rich who leaked the e-mails, who was it? can't explain something, picks favorite conspiracy theory to explain it. makes sense.
- mcphage 7y ago
  What if chemtrails are really the leaked emails?!