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I can't accept that not caring is ok. The small "I don't care" extends into "I don't care about anything outside my immediate environment" and that has politica

I can't accept that not caring is ok. The small "I don't care" extends into "I don't care about anything outside my immediate environment" and that has political and eventually global consequences. If their bank account is drained they will care, and get angry, and then maybe do something (but preferably the bank will recompense them in which case they feel better and go back to not caring). Some stuff you just can't do; as you say the world's too large, but many people don't want to put in the effort to learn stuff that would benefit them immediately, never mind over the longer term. I really do not understand people.

CathedralBorrow 7y ago
> many people don't want to put in the effort to learn stuff that would benefit them immediately I take it you're not counting yourself in that group? Have you already learned everything that would benefit you immediately?
- tempguy9999 7y ago
  It would be a better question if you asked it fairly: "Have you already learned everything". I did not suggest or imply 'everything' should be learnt.
  - CathedralBorrow 7y ago
    That's fair. Your comment would also be better if you quoted me fairly and didn't cut off the second half of my question. "Everything" and "Everything that would benefit you immediately" are not the same thing. But I don't think there's much to gain from more bickering here, let me just retract my comment.
    - tempguy9999 7y ago
      That's very civil of you, upvoted. OK, now I can answer. It's all a balance of investment, payback (which can be direct - "gets me a job" - and nebulous life-quality stuff - "that's interesting!") and erm, my lifespan. I try to make those tradeoffs consciously. If I decide x is valuable but boring, these days I'll measure it against other priorities, if it wins I force myself to do it. So I try. It's an acquired skill which I'm still working on.
      - rat9988 7y ago
        What you call an acquired skill is a heuristic most people do unconsciously.
        tempguy9999 7y ago
        People always do the right thing and don't dither, don't procrastinate, always evaluate the long term consequences? Sure they do.
Cougher 7y ago
"I really do not understand people." Indeed.
Iv 7y ago
> If their bank account is drained they will care For people living in the US, that's just basically an act of God now. The refusal to have a decent ID system has made identity theft laughably easy. Even with top-notch computer security, if you have ever shopped online or swiped a card in a shop that doesn't do in-depth background checks of its employee, you are at risk.
bonoboTP 7y ago
> I really do not understand people. Well, then learning more about people's psychology and motivations seems like a thing you could benefit from immediately :)
- tempguy9999 7y ago
  I realise people don't care. I don't understand how they can so freely ignore that this has consequences and not always even long term ones. Given that I do recognise people won't change, would it help if I did learn to understand their builtin magic curtain / SEP field[0]? I ask with no hope any more, what do you advise? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEP_field https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEP_field
  - isodude 7y ago
    It's like a runner that runs laps, if they can keep going they will. Sometimes they need support but then they only do a pit stop. Getting information or acquire a skill with that state of mind makes you only learn what seems essential to you. Being acceptant of that has the upside that you don't need to know the background of a given individual (some people have a rough life, others just don't think they will get it e.g. think they are not smart enough, others are just working 400% and have kids), to accept the fact that they will just use tech and maybe don't care about the inner workings. But is that really a bad thing? Because that's exactly how they are built know adays, ease of use. I have people around me that I want to explain basic things in life to, but.. even if they actually listen their previous argument float to the surface the next day. People need to change themselves. In the other end of the park there's a big playground. That's where I sit and design the biggest sand castle I've ever built. I don't care that much about running around, I switch playground when I have too. Each mindset have their pros and cons. I solve stuff that takes a bit of effort. My SO keeps our life/house running. So respect and acceptance about others choices is a great way to let go of anger that nobody is interested in the things you are interested in. Finding someone with the same mindset in real life is rare, even on HN. How cool is that?
loco5niner 7y ago
> I really do not understand people. If you cared to, you could learn how.

CathedralBorrow 7y ago

> many people don't want to put in the effort to learn stuff that would benefit them immediately I take it you're not counting yourself in that group? Have you already learned everything that would benefit you immediately?

tempguy9999 7y ago
It would be a better question if you asked it fairly: "Have you already learned everything". I did not suggest or imply 'everything' should be learnt.
- CathedralBorrow 7y ago
  That's fair. Your comment would also be better if you quoted me fairly and didn't cut off the second half of my question. "Everything" and "Everything that would benefit you immediately" are not the same thing. But I don't think there's much to gain from more bickering here, let me just retract my comment.
  - tempguy9999 7y ago
    That's very civil of you, upvoted. OK, now I can answer. It's all a balance of investment, payback (which can be direct - "gets me a job" - and nebulous life-quality stuff - "that's interesting!") and erm, my lifespan. I try to make those tradeoffs consciously. If I decide x is valuable but boring, these days I'll measure it against other priorities, if it wins I force myself to do it. So I try. It's an acquired skill which I'm still working on.
    - rat9988 7y ago
      What you call an acquired skill is a heuristic most people do unconsciously.
      - tempguy9999 7y ago
        People always do the right thing and don't dither, don't procrastinate, always evaluate the long term consequences? Sure they do.

Cougher 7y ago

"I really do not understand people." Indeed.

Iv 7y ago

> If their bank account is drained they will care For people living in the US, that's just basically an act of God now. The refusal to have a decent ID system has made identity theft laughably easy. Even with top-notch computer security, if you have ever shopped online or swiped a card in a shop that doesn't do in-depth background checks of its employee, you are at risk.

bonoboTP 7y ago

> I really do not understand people. Well, then learning more about people's psychology and motivations seems like a thing you could benefit from immediately :)

tempguy9999 7y ago
I realise people don't care. I don't understand how they can so freely ignore that this has consequences and not always even long term ones. Given that I do recognise people won't change, would it help if I did learn to understand their builtin magic curtain / SEP field[0]? I ask with no hope any more, what do you advise? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEP_field https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEP_field
- isodude 7y ago
  It's like a runner that runs laps, if they can keep going they will. Sometimes they need support but then they only do a pit stop. Getting information or acquire a skill with that state of mind makes you only learn what seems essential to you. Being acceptant of that has the upside that you don't need to know the background of a given individual (some people have a rough life, others just don't think they will get it e.g. think they are not smart enough, others are just working 400% and have kids), to accept the fact that they will just use tech and maybe don't care about the inner workings. But is that really a bad thing? Because that's exactly how they are built know adays, ease of use. I have people around me that I want to explain basic things in life to, but.. even if they actually listen their previous argument float to the surface the next day. People need to change themselves. In the other end of the park there's a big playground. That's where I sit and design the biggest sand castle I've ever built. I don't care that much about running around, I switch playground when I have too. Each mindset have their pros and cons. I solve stuff that takes a bit of effort. My SO keeps our life/house running. So respect and acceptance about others choices is a great way to let go of anger that nobody is interested in the things you are interested in. Finding someone with the same mindset in real life is rare, even on HN. How cool is that?

loco5niner 7y ago

> I really do not understand people. If you cared to, you could learn how.