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If you feel strongly about a feature request on an open source project.... you know maybe actually do the work and not just wine about it? This is why people st

If you feel strongly about a feature request on an open source project.... you know maybe actually do the work and not just wine about it? This is why people stop doing open source, these type of people with their weird feeling of entitlement reporting issues.

dane-pgp 7y ago
Please excuse the format of this reply, but this analogy is the best way I can think of to offer a different perspective to the one you are expressing: "If you feel strongly about human rights violations in a democratic country.... you know maybe actually run for elected office and not just wine about it? This is why people stop becoming political candidates, these type of people with their weird feeling of entitlement exercising their right to free speech." To be clear, my point isn't that we should solve all data collection problems with legislation (although that might be beneficial in some cases) or that automatically checking for software updates is necessarily a human rights violation. My point is that it's unreasonable to expect everyone who cares about any feature request to write software to satisfy their needs, especially if the upstream developers would refuse their patches. It's even more unreasonable to demand that people who care about certain issues never try to raise awareness of those issues with other people who might be affected or might be able to do something about the problem.
- sneak 7y ago
  Remember also that I'm asking for tracking code to be removed, not added.
blub 7y ago
You seem to be confused. Atom is developed by a for-profit company which is owned by the for-profit megacorp Microsoft. For them open source is a PR move and an employee retention measure, they just don't give a fuck if anyone is helping them out... at most they want to have contributors to help with PR and retention.
undecisive 7y ago
You are asking for open source developers to make the business decision on Microsoft's behalf? Also, someone HAS already worked on it, and marked it as done. They have failed that ticket's stated goals, either because it did not align with business objectives, or because of an oversight. Nobody (afaik) has asked this person to take over and do the job properly, or even consult on a better flow. The response has been "You are wrong. It doesn't matter. Don't worry about it. Trust us. Stop using atom" You can argue that if you aren't paying for the product, then you are the product... and therefore have no entitlement. That's a viewpoint I guess - but one very much at odds with the perceived values of the open source community.

dane-pgp 7y ago

Please excuse the format of this reply, but this analogy is the best way I can think of to offer a different perspective to the one you are expressing: "If you feel strongly about human rights violations in a democratic country.... you know maybe actually run for elected office and not just wine about it? This is why people stop becoming political candidates, these type of people with their weird feeling of entitlement exercising their right to free speech." To be clear, my point isn't that we should solve all data collection problems with legislation (although that might be beneficial in some cases) or that automatically checking for software updates is necessarily a human rights violation. My point is that it's unreasonable to expect everyone who cares about any feature request to write software to satisfy their needs, especially if the upstream developers would refuse their patches. It's even more unreasonable to demand that people who care about certain issues never try to raise awareness of those issues with other people who might be affected or might be able to do something about the problem.

sneak 7y ago
Remember also that I'm asking for tracking code to be removed, not added.

blub 7y ago

You seem to be confused. Atom is developed by a for-profit company which is owned by the for-profit megacorp Microsoft. For them open source is a PR move and an employee retention measure, they just don't give a fuck if anyone is helping them out... at most they want to have contributors to help with PR and retention.

undecisive 7y ago

You are asking for open source developers to make the business decision on Microsoft's behalf? Also, someone HAS already worked on it, and marked it as done. They have failed that ticket's stated goals, either because it did not align with business objectives, or because of an oversight. Nobody (afaik) has asked this person to take over and do the job properly, or even consult on a better flow. The response has been "You are wrong. It doesn't matter. Don't worry about it. Trust us. Stop using atom" You can argue that if you aren't paying for the product, then you are the product... and therefore have no entitlement. That's a viewpoint I guess - but one very much at odds with the perceived values of the open source community.