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Tell me more about "derived data rights". So you tell me the cost of materials and I factor in labor and come up with a price for my product. I derived my price
by greggman2 7y ago
Tell me more about "derived data rights". So you tell me the cost of materials and I factor in labor and come up with a price for my product. I derived my price from the data you supplied. And I can't use this price because it's derived data?
- tylerhou 7y agoNo, I give you a dataset. You make transformations on that dataset and you try to sell it. I say — "hey, I own your underlying data, so I should have ownership of your transformed data, and thus the proceeds of your sale."
- bastawhiz 7y agoI suppose it would depend on the terms of the sale of the training data (if it was purchased) or how it was acquired (if it wasn't).
- TuringNYC 7y agoWe did not purchase the training data, we licensed it. In retrospect it was clear that we had obtained the license to use the data to train a model, but not entirely clear whether we had licensed the rights to commercialize the model (e.g., sell the weights on our fairly generic neural network.) That said, lots of things start getting confusing, when confusion means owners of the data might make millions off an acquisition. In this case, it was medical data. The owners were technically the sovereign that licensed the medical data to us. But technically, the medical images had been read by independent doctors who only granted an upstream license to the sovereign to use their reads for medical diagnoses for patient welfare -- not to downstream license the reads to help someone else train a model to theoretically put doctors out of business.
- TuringNYC 7y agoCorrect. This is the issue we faced. Derived has so many meanings. In this case, the transformations are the 0s and 1s (diagnoses labels) affecting a convolutional neural network to fit to these 0s and 1s and a set of network weights that result.