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high profile gay people When I read this the first person I thought of was Alan Turing [1]. His was the fate of high profile gay people until the grassroots mo

high profile gay people When I read this the first person I thought of was Alan Turing [1]. His was the fate of high profile gay people until the grassroots movement sprang from the Stonewall riots [1]. It was these activists who took the first steps to even make it possible for a high profile gay person to come out in public. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stonewall_riots

pyuser583 7y ago
Do you seriously believe that upper class gays/lesbians and lower class gays/lesbians was the same? In order for Alan Turing to be charged with “gross indecency”, he had to go the police himself, inform them he was gay (without being asked or prompted), and affirm it in a statement signed under penalty of perjury. The only reason he did that was because he was so accustomed to people not caring, he didn’t think he was in any danger. Being privileged has its privileges.
- katet 7y ago
  I just had to look up that claim, and it seems that Turing admitted a homosexual relationship during a police investigation about his house being burgled, seeing as that relationship was with the accused burglar. That's slightly different to the implication that he walked into a police station of his own free will and promptly signed his own castration order. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing#Conviction_for_indecency https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing#Conviction_for_i... (I'm aware of wikipedia fallibility but I'm on mobile and will generally trust in the citations for this particular individual)
  - pyuser583 7y ago
    My description of his conviction was incomplete. I wasn’t trying to give a comprehensive account. I was simply trying to explain the level of protection his privilege afforded him. He was comfortable reporting one of his lovers to the police because he was used to people looking the other way. Obviously, one of the many downsides to criminalizing harmless behavior is that it places people outside the protection of the law.

pyuser583 7y ago

Do you seriously believe that upper class gays/lesbians and lower class gays/lesbians was the same? In order for Alan Turing to be charged with “gross indecency”, he had to go the police himself, inform them he was gay (without being asked or prompted), and affirm it in a statement signed under penalty of perjury. The only reason he did that was because he was so accustomed to people not caring, he didn’t think he was in any danger. Being privileged has its privileges.

katet 7y ago
I just had to look up that claim, and it seems that Turing admitted a homosexual relationship during a police investigation about his house being burgled, seeing as that relationship was with the accused burglar. That's slightly different to the implication that he walked into a police station of his own free will and promptly signed his own castration order. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing#Conviction_for_indecency https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Turing#Conviction_for_i... (I'm aware of wikipedia fallibility but I'm on mobile and will generally trust in the citations for this particular individual)
- pyuser583 7y ago
  My description of his conviction was incomplete. I wasn’t trying to give a comprehensive account. I was simply trying to explain the level of protection his privilege afforded him. He was comfortable reporting one of his lovers to the police because he was used to people looking the other way. Obviously, one of the many downsides to criminalizing harmless behavior is that it places people outside the protection of the law.