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Amazon deserves some blame but the real corruption is on the government agency’s side. Their job is to execute their jobs following rules. Stuff like this shou

Amazon deserves some blame but the real corruption is on the government agency’s side. Their job is to execute their jobs following rules. Stuff like this shouldn’t be even possible in a well run country.

zentiggr 7y ago
The underlying problem is the perceived benefits vs <s> just a small adjustment of facts </s>. Been going on since humans started businesses. This is why whistleblowers deserve protection above and beyond normal lawsuit situations, because there's almost always a big incumbent on the other end of the deal who still wants the story squashed. More calls for transparency, more calls for public offices to be held accountable, will always be needed to push back against the tide of influence from all the money floating around. Good for Stallone for quitting and reporting, and I hope this gets way broader coverage along with every other story like this.
jessaustin 7y ago
The worst thing that happened was that Amazon killed one of their employees. Covering that up and not punishing them for it was bad, but let's keep some sense of perspective here. Lots of folks on HN are in management. I'll assume that none of them have killed any employees recently... Was that because the proper government agencies have regularly informed them of their duty not to kill employees? Or was it rather that many of us are human beings and don't want to regularly kill people just to save few dollars on e.g. sufficient training programs?
- vageli 7y ago
  > The worst thing that happened was that Amazon killed one of their employees. Covering that up and not punishing them for it was bad, but let's keep some sense of perspective here. I would argue the actual cover up is much worse, as if it were successful it would allow behavior to continue unimpeded.
  - Ididntdothis 7y ago
    That was my point. A government agency should never ever cover up things. Once you allow that then government doesn’t work properly anymore. Same for corrupt cops and other government employees.
    - vageli 7y ago
      Abusing the public trust instilled in an office undermines the very foundation of society. I couldn't agree with you more.
vanusa 7y ago
Stuff like this shouldn’t be even possible in a well run country. And the reason this isn't a "well-run country"... is what, exactly? Might the influence of companies like Amazon have something to do with it?
fzeroracer 7y ago
Except isn't this exactly what companies like Amazon want? They lobby for lessened regulations and bribe their way into government offices so that when they get exposed doing something bad the blame gets shifted to the government for not doing their job.

zentiggr 7y ago

The underlying problem is the perceived benefits vs <s> just a small adjustment of facts </s>. Been going on since humans started businesses. This is why whistleblowers deserve protection above and beyond normal lawsuit situations, because there's almost always a big incumbent on the other end of the deal who still wants the story squashed. More calls for transparency, more calls for public offices to be held accountable, will always be needed to push back against the tide of influence from all the money floating around. Good for Stallone for quitting and reporting, and I hope this gets way broader coverage along with every other story like this.

jessaustin 7y ago

The worst thing that happened was that Amazon killed one of their employees. Covering that up and not punishing them for it was bad, but let's keep some sense of perspective here. Lots of folks on HN are in management. I'll assume that none of them have killed any employees recently... Was that because the proper government agencies have regularly informed them of their duty not to kill employees? Or was it rather that many of us are human beings and don't want to regularly kill people just to save few dollars on e.g. sufficient training programs?

vageli 7y ago
> The worst thing that happened was that Amazon killed one of their employees. Covering that up and not punishing them for it was bad, but let's keep some sense of perspective here. I would argue the actual cover up is much worse, as if it were successful it would allow behavior to continue unimpeded.
- Ididntdothis 7y ago
  That was my point. A government agency should never ever cover up things. Once you allow that then government doesn’t work properly anymore. Same for corrupt cops and other government employees.
  - vageli 7y ago
    Abusing the public trust instilled in an office undermines the very foundation of society. I couldn't agree with you more.

vanusa 7y ago

Stuff like this shouldn’t be even possible in a well run country. And the reason this isn't a "well-run country"... is what, exactly? Might the influence of companies like Amazon have something to do with it?

fzeroracer 7y ago

Except isn't this exactly what companies like Amazon want? They lobby for lessened regulations and bribe their way into government offices so that when they get exposed doing something bad the blame gets shifted to the government for not doing their job.