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I think Tesla ultimately wins this battle. They have the real-time driving conditions and reactions being reported for likely every tricky intersection in the U

by aantix 7y ago

I think Tesla ultimately wins this battle. They have the real-time driving conditions and reactions being reported for likely every tricky intersection in the U.S. That’s a big competitive advantage compared to Waymo’s simulations and paid drivers.

bsaul 7y ago
IMHO tesla is probably the company that’s the most likely to get a class action lawsuit at the first disappointment on their product. People got over musk overhyping unlikely features and making promises he couldn’t hold, because ultimately they were happy with their car, but he went so far he can’t make any kind of mistake.
toast0 7y ago
Tesla certainly has a lot of real world data on conditions and human behavior. It remains to be seen if the sensors deployed on their customers' vehicles are sufficient to the task of self-driving, however. And if they're not, that data gathering may not turn out to be very useful. Given that they don't have a system that can avoid stationary firetrucks or gore points, I think it's fair to say Tesla haven't figured out the requirements yet. There's a meta question about the privacy aspects of the data gathering and if customers have provided meaningful consent. At least Waymo usually gets rearended by other cars as a result of being timid (except for the time they ran into a bus by being courageous and assuming the bus would move).
- jerf 7y ago
  TIL: https://2qibqm39xjt6q46gf1rwo2g1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/web1_160808_EDH_GoreStreetG_S.jpg https://2qibqm39xjt6q46gf1rwo2g1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-... (A graphic defining what a "gore point" is.) This graphic is from https://www.heraldnet.com/news/dont-cross-the-gore-point-when-merging-onto-the-interstate/ https://www.heraldnet.com/news/dont-cross-the-gore-point-whe... , although at least in my browser was shrunk and hard to read. I actually thought for a moment that 'gore point' was a dark joke about places that Teslas tend to hit with their autopilots.
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vl 7y ago
I’m not sure why you are being downvoted, because Tesla has an advantage, and not only in data collection: Waymo, as a privately-held company, has no strong incentive to deliver, and it doesn’t have strong delivery plan in the first place. Waymo’s sensor package is an disadvantage too - apart from being expensive, in real world most likely it will be too finicky. You could have argued in 2000s that with current technology it’s not possible to do world modeling without Lidar, in 2020 you can do it with video cameras.

by aantix 7y ago

bsaul 7y ago

IMHO tesla is probably the company that’s the most likely to get a class action lawsuit at the first disappointment on their product. People got over musk overhyping unlikely features and making promises he couldn’t hold, because ultimately they were happy with their car, but he went so far he can’t make any kind of mistake.

toast0 7y ago

Tesla certainly has a lot of real world data on conditions and human behavior. It remains to be seen if the sensors deployed on their customers' vehicles are sufficient to the task of self-driving, however. And if they're not, that data gathering may not turn out to be very useful. Given that they don't have a system that can avoid stationary firetrucks or gore points, I think it's fair to say Tesla haven't figured out the requirements yet. There's a meta question about the privacy aspects of the data gathering and if customers have provided meaningful consent. At least Waymo usually gets rearended by other cars as a result of being timid (except for the time they ran into a bus by being courageous and assuming the bus would move).

jerf 7y ago
TIL: https://2qibqm39xjt6q46gf1rwo2g1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/web1_160808_EDH_GoreStreetG_S.jpg https://2qibqm39xjt6q46gf1rwo2g1-wpengine.netdna-ssl.com/wp-... (A graphic defining what a "gore point" is.) This graphic is from https://www.heraldnet.com/news/dont-cross-the-gore-point-when-merging-onto-the-interstate/ https://www.heraldnet.com/news/dont-cross-the-gore-point-whe... , although at least in my browser was shrunk and hard to read. I actually thought for a moment that 'gore point' was a dark joke about places that Teslas tend to hit with their autopilots.

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vl 7y ago

I’m not sure why you are being downvoted, because Tesla has an advantage, and not only in data collection: Waymo, as a privately-held company, has no strong incentive to deliver, and it doesn’t have strong delivery plan in the first place. Waymo’s sensor package is an disadvantage too - apart from being expensive, in real world most likely it will be too finicky. You could have argued in 2000s that with current technology it’s not possible to do world modeling without Lidar, in 2020 you can do it with video cameras.