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> Somehow Facebook was supposed to know about the school's financial problem? I doubt people in Facebook's office in California are watching the local news for

> Somehow Facebook was supposed to know about the school's financial problem? I doubt people in Facebook's office in California are watching the local news for Ohio. They took the money, and according the law they shouldn't have done that. Facebook doesn't get some magical pass because their systems are automated. If they want to do business, they need to follow the same rules as everyone else. If their automation doesn't cover all the corner-cases of the law, that's on them and they should be deprived of any profit derived from their rule-breaking.

ars 7y ago
How far do you want to take that? If some tiny locality passed a law that in order to accept online advertising you must XYZ, with the penalty in the millions - would you expect Facebook to follow that? What about another country? Would it not be more reasonable to require Facebook to have a physical presence in the locality in order to be bound by its laws?
- rhizome 7y ago
  How would the tiny locality establish jurisdiction, or even standing? Locate a branch office of Facebook there?
  - ars 7y ago
    Well, that's kind of my question, isn't it? Does Facebook have a branch office in Ohio? If they do then they have no excuse.
    - Keverw 7y ago
      Found the case, it's against Facebook Payments. I'm actually surprised they have this info online as some court websites are very outdated or under a paywall. I know one website to pay tickets online in another county for example traffic tickets(red light cameras, etc) said it wasn't secure in Chrome yet they asked for sensitive info. https://clerkweb.summitoh.net/PublicSite/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseNo=CV-2019-04-1369&Suffix=&Type= https://clerkweb.summitoh.net/PublicSite/CaseDetail.aspx?Cas... Then Facebook has a license in Ohio too since Messenger lets you send money to people over chat. https://www.facebook.com/payments_terms/licenses https://www.facebook.com/payments_terms/licenses So maybe that's one way they can claim power over Facebook. Looks like the last action on the case was 05/17/2019 where it was assigned to another judge. So wonder what the next steps are for this case, will be interesting to follow. I was just curious about ECOT yesterday since that's the school I did my final years of high school and was wondering about where people would get their transcripts if say for college... Looks like records were being transferred to the last known district of residence, but there's also an email if you need help getting them it looks. I'm guessing probably where you lived when you were last in school then, probably not where you are now if you moved since then. The Educational Service Center of Lake Erie West in Toledo was the sponsor of ECOT. http://www.esclakeeriewest.org/ECOTInformation.aspx http://www.esclakeeriewest.org/ECOTInformation.aspx Also looks like the server is at Franklin County courthouse, the judge there approved $300,000 to upgrade the server to preserve it, as the FBI is also looking into the school over the campaign contributions. Then the other big thing ECOT got in trouble over was the way of accounting attendance. https://www.dispatch.com/news/20190801/judge-approves-moving-ecot-records-to-new-computer-server https://www.dispatch.com/news/20190801/judge-approves-moving... I liked ECOT. If I needed to ask questions I could send a email(they had a fake email system, wouldn't go to external addresses) or even call up... I felt they cared a lot more compared to the last public school I went to. Actually got way better grades too. But someone else who went to ECOT after me felt a bit different, so maybe things changed more since I went. I wish we had more school choice in America, instead of the city school being the default. Wish more competition but I think schools in general feel threatened and enjoy having a monopoly on education. Then apparently it's easier to fire teachers at charter and private schools, so public school teachers can be lousy and have great job security. Also other schools could try and claim they lost money too because of this, but aren't part of the lawsuit... Wonder how that works in the future if say Facebook lost and ordered to pay which is split between the schools. Can the other schools join in on the lawsuit or would they need to file separately? Not sure if it's technically considered a class action, since usually you get a notice about the lawsuit to join it automatically if you do nothing with a date to submit a claim or you opt-out to then file your lawsuit or get nothing. Be interesting if these schools won, and then other schools sue for the same amount... Then would FB have to pay out twice the amount? Unless they are only considering what those schools believe they lost directly that was spent on ad money, and not the total lost statewide, as that would make more sense - but I think they want the total money spent at FB total not considering which schools the funds originally came from. As ECOT had students in all 88 counties across the state, so it sounds like other schools not part of this lawsuit might be leaving money on the table if FB is found in the wrong.
- catalogia 7y ago
  If facebook doesn't want to comply with such a law, then they shouldn't do business in such places. They should be made to respect all the laws smaller businesses are forced to respect, no exceptions.
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- henryfjordan 7y ago
  Determining jurisdiction is hard and I won't pretend to know the final answer the courts would give (though I have no doubt they already have the tools to figure it out). But if it were up to me it would come down to geo-targeting. If you can geo-target a locality, you need to abide by the rules there.

ars 7y ago

How far do you want to take that? If some tiny locality passed a law that in order to accept online advertising you must XYZ, with the penalty in the millions - would you expect Facebook to follow that? What about another country? Would it not be more reasonable to require Facebook to have a physical presence in the locality in order to be bound by its laws?

rhizome 7y ago
How would the tiny locality establish jurisdiction, or even standing? Locate a branch office of Facebook there?
- ars 7y ago
  Well, that's kind of my question, isn't it? Does Facebook have a branch office in Ohio? If they do then they have no excuse.
  - Keverw 7y ago
    Found the case, it's against Facebook Payments. I'm actually surprised they have this info online as some court websites are very outdated or under a paywall. I know one website to pay tickets online in another county for example traffic tickets(red light cameras, etc) said it wasn't secure in Chrome yet they asked for sensitive info. https://clerkweb.summitoh.net/PublicSite/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseNo=CV-2019-04-1369&Suffix=&Type= https://clerkweb.summitoh.net/PublicSite/CaseDetail.aspx?Cas... Then Facebook has a license in Ohio too since Messenger lets you send money to people over chat. https://www.facebook.com/payments_terms/licenses https://www.facebook.com/payments_terms/licenses So maybe that's one way they can claim power over Facebook. Looks like the last action on the case was 05/17/2019 where it was assigned to another judge. So wonder what the next steps are for this case, will be interesting to follow. I was just curious about ECOT yesterday since that's the school I did my final years of high school and was wondering about where people would get their transcripts if say for college... Looks like records were being transferred to the last known district of residence, but there's also an email if you need help getting them it looks. I'm guessing probably where you lived when you were last in school then, probably not where you are now if you moved since then. The Educational Service Center of Lake Erie West in Toledo was the sponsor of ECOT. http://www.esclakeeriewest.org/ECOTInformation.aspx http://www.esclakeeriewest.org/ECOTInformation.aspx Also looks like the server is at Franklin County courthouse, the judge there approved $300,000 to upgrade the server to preserve it, as the FBI is also looking into the school over the campaign contributions. Then the other big thing ECOT got in trouble over was the way of accounting attendance. https://www.dispatch.com/news/20190801/judge-approves-moving-ecot-records-to-new-computer-server https://www.dispatch.com/news/20190801/judge-approves-moving... I liked ECOT. If I needed to ask questions I could send a email(they had a fake email system, wouldn't go to external addresses) or even call up... I felt they cared a lot more compared to the last public school I went to. Actually got way better grades too. But someone else who went to ECOT after me felt a bit different, so maybe things changed more since I went. I wish we had more school choice in America, instead of the city school being the default. Wish more competition but I think schools in general feel threatened and enjoy having a monopoly on education. Then apparently it's easier to fire teachers at charter and private schools, so public school teachers can be lousy and have great job security. Also other schools could try and claim they lost money too because of this, but aren't part of the lawsuit... Wonder how that works in the future if say Facebook lost and ordered to pay which is split between the schools. Can the other schools join in on the lawsuit or would they need to file separately? Not sure if it's technically considered a class action, since usually you get a notice about the lawsuit to join it automatically if you do nothing with a date to submit a claim or you opt-out to then file your lawsuit or get nothing. Be interesting if these schools won, and then other schools sue for the same amount... Then would FB have to pay out twice the amount? Unless they are only considering what those schools believe they lost directly that was spent on ad money, and not the total lost statewide, as that would make more sense - but I think they want the total money spent at FB total not considering which schools the funds originally came from. As ECOT had students in all 88 counties across the state, so it sounds like other schools not part of this lawsuit might be leaving money on the table if FB is found in the wrong.
catalogia 7y ago
If facebook doesn't want to comply with such a law, then they shouldn't do business in such places. They should be made to respect all the laws smaller businesses are forced to respect, no exceptions.
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henryfjordan 7y ago
Determining jurisdiction is hard and I won't pretend to know the final answer the courts would give (though I have no doubt they already have the tools to figure it out). But if it were up to me it would come down to geo-targeting. If you can geo-target a locality, you need to abide by the rules there.