lkruber, I think that you are missing the point. What you have written obviously comes after great time and thought, but I'm essentially going to ignore it as I

lkruber, I think that you are missing the point. What you have written obviously comes after great time and thought, but I'm essentially going to ignore it as I disagree with what you say in the first paragraph. If the downvoting was aimed at remarks that were attempting to sabotage Hacker News, then you might have some ground to stand on. But the posts I'm thinking of involve material that I think should be allowed on Hacker News. I'm going to keep this short. First of all, you imply that intentions matter (by using the word "attempting). The truth is that they shouldn't matter. If someone comes to HN trying to contribute with good quality but fails, they should be treated the same as those who come looking to make trouble and end up making content of the same bad quality. In essence, we shouldn't look at people's intentions because they are impossible to judge and because it is something that isn't done in the real world. Secondly, you mention that you think the posts you're thinking of should be allowed on HN. But the truth is that philwelch and I don't. The whole point of this argument is exactly that. You then ignore this argument and go onto to tackle bigger and unrelated problems. Rather, you should have just stayed with the same issue we have been discussing the past few comments.