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There have been a lot of major stories about China recently: Landslide pro-democracy victory in HK district council elections: Hong Kong Election Landslide Si

There have been a lot of major stories about China recently: Landslide pro-democracy victory in HK district council elections: Hong Kong Election Landslide Signals More Frictions With Beijing: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/25/world/asia/hong-kong-election-protests.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/25/world/asia/hong-kong-elec... Recently-leaked PRC government documents confirm details of the Xinjiang camps: China Didn’t Want Us to Know. Now Its Own Files Are Doing the Talking: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/24/opinion/china-xinjiang-files.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/24/opinion/china-xinjiang-fi... ‘Absolutely No Mercy’: Leaked Files Expose How China Organized Mass Detentions of Muslims: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/11/16/world/asia/china-xinjiang-documents.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/11/16/world/asia/ch... Leaked China Files Show Internment Camps Are Ruled by Secrecy and Spying: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/24/world/asia/leak-chinas-internment-camps.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/24/world/asia/leak-chinas-in... Chinese intelligence agent defects to Australia: Would-Be Chinese Defector Details Covert Campaigns in Hong Kong and Taiwan: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/22/world/asia/defector-spy-taiwan-hong-kong.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/22/world/asia/defector-spy-t... Defecting Chinese spy offers information trove to Australian government: https://www.smh.com.au/national/defecting-chinese-spy-offers-information-trove-to-australian-government-20191122-p53d1l.html https://www.smh.com.au/national/defecting-chinese-spy-offers...

seph-reed 7y ago
Don't forget the bits about a sizable chunk of western media going to lengths to fit their mould, and the sheer amount of world companies which China has powerful portions of stock in. It starts to paint a picture of a very quiet and tactful fascist world conquering through totally legal business moves. Also, just to get the idea out there, I'm totally down for a lesser standard of living for the sake of not putting any more gas in their tanks. https://github.com/caffeine-overload/bandinchina https://github.com/caffeine-overload/bandinchina
- meiraleal 7y ago
  Right. Fascist? So China is the one that has been occupying other countries using their might military?
  - rodneyzeng 7y ago
    Why not say "so China is capitalized at Berlin?"
  - seph-reed 7y ago
    Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. Not condoning the behavior of the US at all.
    - meiraleal 7y ago
      You just described the US in the world scenario, including forcible suppression of China opposition to US capitalism/imperialism. The strong regimentation is done by US tech and brands. The dictatorial power is the military might and occupations in every corner of the world.
      - seph-reed 7y ago
        I get where you're coming from, I really do. I fucking hate what big corporations have done with, to, and through the U.S. It's bullying, it's oppression, it's borderline slavery, and it's hardcore brainwashing. By loose definitions I'd be willing to call it fascism, but using strong words loosely only makes them weaker. By all means, hate on the U.S. It deserves it. I just don't think fascism is the best word for it.
      - cbnotfromthere 7y ago
        Your position is indistinguishable from that of the original fascist - Mussolini, who was seeing international relations this way (with Italy cast as the poor victim of rapacious capitalist states). Congratulations.
kd3 7y ago
These links should be emailed to Tim Crook. Maybe it'll help him understand what he is supporting.

seph-reed 7y ago

Don't forget the bits about a sizable chunk of western media going to lengths to fit their mould, and the sheer amount of world companies which China has powerful portions of stock in. It starts to paint a picture of a very quiet and tactful fascist world conquering through totally legal business moves. Also, just to get the idea out there, I'm totally down for a lesser standard of living for the sake of not putting any more gas in their tanks. https://github.com/caffeine-overload/bandinchina https://github.com/caffeine-overload/bandinchina

meiraleal 7y ago
Right. Fascist? So China is the one that has been occupying other countries using their might military?
- rodneyzeng 7y ago
  Why not say "so China is capitalized at Berlin?"
- seph-reed 7y ago
  Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a form of far-right, authoritarian ultranationalism characterized by dictatorial power, forcible suppression of opposition, and strong regimentation of society and of the economy which came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. Not condoning the behavior of the US at all.
  - meiraleal 7y ago
    You just described the US in the world scenario, including forcible suppression of China opposition to US capitalism/imperialism. The strong regimentation is done by US tech and brands. The dictatorial power is the military might and occupations in every corner of the world.
    - seph-reed 7y ago
      I get where you're coming from, I really do. I fucking hate what big corporations have done with, to, and through the U.S. It's bullying, it's oppression, it's borderline slavery, and it's hardcore brainwashing. By loose definitions I'd be willing to call it fascism, but using strong words loosely only makes them weaker. By all means, hate on the U.S. It deserves it. I just don't think fascism is the best word for it.
    - cbnotfromthere 7y ago
      Your position is indistinguishable from that of the original fascist - Mussolini, who was seeing international relations this way (with Italy cast as the poor victim of rapacious capitalist states). Congratulations.

kd3 7y ago

These links should be emailed to Tim Crook. Maybe it'll help him understand what he is supporting.