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Seems all is going to plan for Beijing, slowly encroaching on more human rights of the people of Hong Kong. I read an ominous quote from Global Times that said,

by kp98 7y ago

Seems all is going to plan for Beijing, slowly encroaching on more human rights of the people of Hong Kong. I read an ominous quote from Global Times that said, when talking about the US Hong Kong bill: "If we take this US bill seriously and shrink from tackling riots, Hong Kong will suffer from an accelerated collapse of the rule of law and be erased from the modern world. [...] If riots continue, Hong Kong is doomed." [1] I suppose replacing the chain of command in terms of Hong Kong will help circumvent the CCP and secure more 'peace and prosperity' for China. [1]: http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1170691.shtml http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1170691.shtml

onlyrealcuzzo 7y ago
It's pathetic how the mainstream media is reporting on this. Almost dead silence. Beijing has effectively removed our free speech. Businesses have a feduciary obligation to increase shareholder value, and saying anything bad about Beijing can have huge economic consequences.
- natechols 7y ago
  I've had no problem finding articles about this in mainstream publications, including the NY Times. Maybe it's only TV news that is silent?
  - CharlesColeman 7y ago
    It's definitely being reported on, it's just that the impeachment stuff has a much higher volume and is drowning a lot of it out.
- kp98 7y ago
  I think the most interesting event during all of the Hong Kong conflict was actually when the US congress first announced this bill. Within a day China responded with one of its casual opaque threats along the lines of "if congress passes this bill there will be consequences," which sounds a lot like when the CCP told Sweden there would be "consequences" for giving an award to a reporter against the state. So yeah, I agree with you the pressure on free speech that China has imposed on governments - not only corporations - but the united states government tells a story about Chinese aggression. Ultimately, China is far more vulnerable in this trade war than the US, so I expect more belligerence from China in the same way I would expect belligerence from a 7 year old boy when his toy is taken away.
- president 7y ago
  Not just business leaders but the government has been co-opted to shill for China. The author of Stealth War [1] writes that many members of the US congress have been lobbying for the CCP through dockets and/or have tremendous conflicts of interests through business or personal relationships. [1] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/46064194-stealth-war https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/46064194-stealth-war
justinzollars 7y ago
Another perspective: Hong Kongs fate was sealed in 1984 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration with with the Sino British Joint Declaration, something I think of as a time bomb. The West and China need to acknowledge this problem and find a way forward that does not involve conflict or war.
MrZongle2 7y ago
Seriously though, wasn't Hong Kong doomed in December 1984 when the British government signed the handover agreement with the CCP?

by kp98 7y ago

onlyrealcuzzo 7y ago

It's pathetic how the mainstream media is reporting on this. Almost dead silence. Beijing has effectively removed our free speech. Businesses have a feduciary obligation to increase shareholder value, and saying anything bad about Beijing can have huge economic consequences.

natechols 7y ago
I've had no problem finding articles about this in mainstream publications, including the NY Times. Maybe it's only TV news that is silent?
- CharlesColeman 7y ago
  It's definitely being reported on, it's just that the impeachment stuff has a much higher volume and is drowning a lot of it out.
kp98 7y ago
I think the most interesting event during all of the Hong Kong conflict was actually when the US congress first announced this bill. Within a day China responded with one of its casual opaque threats along the lines of "if congress passes this bill there will be consequences," which sounds a lot like when the CCP told Sweden there would be "consequences" for giving an award to a reporter against the state. So yeah, I agree with you the pressure on free speech that China has imposed on governments - not only corporations - but the united states government tells a story about Chinese aggression. Ultimately, China is far more vulnerable in this trade war than the US, so I expect more belligerence from China in the same way I would expect belligerence from a 7 year old boy when his toy is taken away.
president 7y ago
Not just business leaders but the government has been co-opted to shill for China. The author of Stealth War [1] writes that many members of the US congress have been lobbying for the CCP through dockets and/or have tremendous conflicts of interests through business or personal relationships. [1] https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/46064194-stealth-war https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/46064194-stealth-war

justinzollars 7y ago

Another perspective: Hong Kongs fate was sealed in 1984 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-British_Joint_Declaration with with the Sino British Joint Declaration, something I think of as a time bomb. The West and China need to acknowledge this problem and find a way forward that does not involve conflict or war.

MrZongle2 7y ago

Seriously though, wasn't Hong Kong doomed in December 1984 when the British government signed the handover agreement with the CCP?