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No one should be held responsible for accessing something that is public. If a person puts a personal event in a calendar and leaves the event as public, it's

No one should be held responsible for accessing something that is public. If a person puts a personal event in a calendar and leaves the event as public, it's their fault, not mine if I access it. If I leave the door of my house open, and someone enters and steals my tv, it's my fault. So, unless these four people hacked the calendars, i.e. systematically searched for and found weaknesses in the software, exploited them to get access to private calendars, they are not guilty of anything. It's obvious that Google is really scared of unionizing and their moves were done to scare the shit out of the rest of the employees. EDIT: Yes, stealing another person's belongings is theft (morally and legally wrong). The 'it's my fault' part goes to the act of getting access to something: if I leave my door open and someone walks in, it's my fault. If they steal my TV, it's their fault as well, but this does not erase my fault of leaving the door open.

goalieca 7y ago
> If I leave the door of my house open, and someone enters and steals my tv, it's my fault. Seeing a public calendar is equivalent to seeing into your neighbours house because they left the front door open. Not stealing your damn tv. Stealing the tv is clearly theft. Only your overlords at the insurance company would ever try to claim it’s your fault for someone stealing your stuff.
- koheripbal 7y ago
  Setting up an alert on someone's calendar is equivalent to having someone followed. Then sharing a screenshot of that calendar outside the company is like posting a video of you secretly filming them as you follow them around all day. No reasonable person would not consider that incredibly creepy behavior.
codewiz 7y ago
> If I leave the door of my house open, and someone enters and steals my tv, it's my fault. I don't think so. In fact, I don't know any jurisdiction where taking a TV from someone's house wouldn't be a crime, even if the door had been left wide open.
thathndude 7y ago
Your analogy is just plain wrong. I leave my door unlocked (and occasionally open) all the time. Still illegal to enter my house, eat my food, etc. And, at the absolute least, it violates basic notions of decency and autonomy.
ganstyles 7y ago
Very, very wrong, and akin to victim blaming. Stealing is a crime, even if I accidentally left my door open or my S3 bucket settings open. Taking something that isn't yours is both morally and legally wrong.
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Lendal 7y ago
The problem with analogies is when you choose poorly, it can ruin an otherwise perfectly good argument.
drawkbox 7y ago
The documentary American Factory has something like this. The documentary is about a factory that is built in America and bought by China, to be run by Chinese and American workers. After a while, the American workers start to unionize. Some of them wait outside to hand out fliers/info in favor of unionizing, and they called that 'stalking'. While some of the internal union fighting employees said they were not safe because people were watching when they were leaving. The organizing workers were fired. This seems to be a pretty common tactic to prevent unionization, calling pretty basic human communication even a stalking or scary action, then firing them, mostly as a message to other employees.
shadowgovt 7y ago
The public calendars in question are company-wide public, not publicly accessible. An employee gathering information off of company-wide public calendars and then leaking that information outside the company can certainly be held accountable for privacy violations (morally and per company policy, at least).
geodel 7y ago
Maybe you are saying blaming victim is correct in this case?
stale2002 7y ago
If you walked around behind someone all day, and secretly recorded them, that is still "accessing something in public". But if you did this, Id still call you a creep stalker, and if you did this to a co-worker, I think that you should be fired for it.

goalieca 7y ago

> If I leave the door of my house open, and someone enters and steals my tv, it's my fault. Seeing a public calendar is equivalent to seeing into your neighbours house because they left the front door open. Not stealing your damn tv. Stealing the tv is clearly theft. Only your overlords at the insurance company would ever try to claim it’s your fault for someone stealing your stuff.

koheripbal 7y ago
Setting up an alert on someone's calendar is equivalent to having someone followed. Then sharing a screenshot of that calendar outside the company is like posting a video of you secretly filming them as you follow them around all day. No reasonable person would not consider that incredibly creepy behavior.

codewiz 7y ago

> If I leave the door of my house open, and someone enters and steals my tv, it's my fault. I don't think so. In fact, I don't know any jurisdiction where taking a TV from someone's house wouldn't be a crime, even if the door had been left wide open.

thathndude 7y ago

Your analogy is just plain wrong. I leave my door unlocked (and occasionally open) all the time. Still illegal to enter my house, eat my food, etc. And, at the absolute least, it violates basic notions of decency and autonomy.

ganstyles 7y ago

Very, very wrong, and akin to victim blaming. Stealing is a crime, even if I accidentally left my door open or my S3 bucket settings open. Taking something that isn't yours is both morally and legally wrong.

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Lendal 7y ago

The problem with analogies is when you choose poorly, it can ruin an otherwise perfectly good argument.

drawkbox 7y ago

The documentary American Factory has something like this. The documentary is about a factory that is built in America and bought by China, to be run by Chinese and American workers. After a while, the American workers start to unionize. Some of them wait outside to hand out fliers/info in favor of unionizing, and they called that 'stalking'. While some of the internal union fighting employees said they were not safe because people were watching when they were leaving. The organizing workers were fired. This seems to be a pretty common tactic to prevent unionization, calling pretty basic human communication even a stalking or scary action, then firing them, mostly as a message to other employees.

shadowgovt 7y ago

The public calendars in question are company-wide public, not publicly accessible. An employee gathering information off of company-wide public calendars and then leaking that information outside the company can certainly be held accountable for privacy violations (morally and per company policy, at least).

geodel 7y ago

Maybe you are saying blaming victim is correct in this case?

stale2002 7y ago

If you walked around behind someone all day, and secretly recorded them, that is still "accessing something in public". But if you did this, Id still call you a creep stalker, and if you did this to a co-worker, I think that you should be fired for it.