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as long as there is demand like right now for programmers, the conditions and pay is good. The time to assert your rights is when you have leverage, if you wai

as long as there is demand like right now for programmers, the conditions and pay is good. The time to assert your rights is when you have leverage, if you wait until you need those rights because you have no leverage it’s too late.

CryptoPunk 7y ago
Unionization could very plausibly weaken the US tech sector. It's happened before (US Steel, the US passenger rail service, high-volume manufacturing, the Big Three auto makers).
- iwintermute 7y ago
  Yeah, just remember what those pesky unions did to german automakers
  - CryptoPunk 7y ago
    (copy-pasting) Germany seems to have strong unions and a strong auto industry, but the German economy as a whole has suffered decades of wage stagnation. One outperforming industry alone doesn't negate the broader correlation between restrictive labor laws, and degraded economic performance. Also, Germany has many advantages in manufacturing that are independent of its labor laws, like a strong work ethic and tradition of engineering, good trade schools, etc. So an argument can be made that it has a strong tendency to be a manufacturing power that is capable of counter-acting the harmful effects of bad policies. One possible indication that unionization has had a harmful impact on German economic development is if you look at Germany's past compared to its present you see that it developed more rapidly relative to its contemporaries before embracing the social-democratic/unionized-workforce model.
    - r9gNJup6xExJ7gs 7y ago
      Du bist dumm.
    - AstralStorm 7y ago
      Every country developed more rapidly at some point in time. What's your correlation coefficient? Is the optimal social order defined near ancient Euphrates or in the industrial revolution era UK?
      - CryptoPunk 7y ago
        I don't have an answer to that, but economists have largely found the effect of unionization and labor laws on industrial and labor market efficiency to be negative, and that's a predictable finding according the economic theory.

CryptoPunk 7y ago

Unionization could very plausibly weaken the US tech sector. It's happened before (US Steel, the US passenger rail service, high-volume manufacturing, the Big Three auto makers).

iwintermute 7y ago
Yeah, just remember what those pesky unions did to german automakers
- CryptoPunk 7y ago
  (copy-pasting) Germany seems to have strong unions and a strong auto industry, but the German economy as a whole has suffered decades of wage stagnation. One outperforming industry alone doesn't negate the broader correlation between restrictive labor laws, and degraded economic performance. Also, Germany has many advantages in manufacturing that are independent of its labor laws, like a strong work ethic and tradition of engineering, good trade schools, etc. So an argument can be made that it has a strong tendency to be a manufacturing power that is capable of counter-acting the harmful effects of bad policies. One possible indication that unionization has had a harmful impact on German economic development is if you look at Germany's past compared to its present you see that it developed more rapidly relative to its contemporaries before embracing the social-democratic/unionized-workforce model.
  - r9gNJup6xExJ7gs 7y ago
    Du bist dumm.
  - AstralStorm 7y ago
    Every country developed more rapidly at some point in time. What's your correlation coefficient? Is the optimal social order defined near ancient Euphrates or in the industrial revolution era UK?
    - CryptoPunk 7y ago
      I don't have an answer to that, but economists have largely found the effect of unionization and labor laws on industrial and labor market efficiency to be negative, and that's a predictable finding according the economic theory.