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> why 14,000 sheep needed to be transported why not? if i sell my sheep and need to deliver them to the buyer, then i'll need a form of transport.

by kmlx 7y ago

netcan 7y ago
The pertinent question is "why live?" Live transports are (for example) the biggest animal welfare issue for kiwi sheep.
- Lev1a 7y ago
  Because of religious BS.
  - ruthless_banker 7y ago
    Careful, you are dangerously close to hate speech.
- zanybear 7y ago
  I'm assuming because of the way an animal is sacrificed in order to be considered "halal". It would require a large slaughterhouse with the proper setup, which in an 98% orthodox country is not a easy arrangement.
  - toomanybeersies 7y ago
    About 25% of red meat exports from New Zealand are halal, and almost every slaughterhouse is capable of halal slaughter. It's actually not particularly difficult to do halal slaughter, the two main requirements are that it is killed with a cut to the throat (common in non-halal slaughter) by a Muslim.
    - netcan 7y ago
      I'm not sure the muslim is a requirement per se, it's just that in practice there's an overseer. Many/most Muslim clerics accept kosher meat as halal, for example, even though the supervision is not necessarily Muslim.
- aivisol 7y ago
  This might give some clue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhabihah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhabihah "The slaughter itself must be done by a sane (mentally competent) adult Muslim."
  - netcan 7y ago
    Halal abatoirs are the norm in most Sheep producing parts of Australia/NZ. This is far from unbridgeable. The immediate reason for live exports now is there there's a premium on live sheep, often in the middle east. Anyway, either the exporting or importing country can "ban" live shipping, so if origin and destination countries have different opinions that doesn't mean things can't change. Obviously ban doesn't mean ban, just regulate to the point where transport-to-abatoir doesn't make sense. Obviously breeding stock and such will still travel.
IceCreamGondola 7y ago
Nothing wrong with needing to transport but the problem is that globalisation has made it economically more viable to sell globally than locally. Produce should first be sourced locally then globally when they really need it.
- kmlx 7y ago
  > Produce should first be sourced locally then globally when they really need it. global (aka long-distance) trade started around 3000 BC. it got a boom in 1815 due to mechanisation. if you want to find out more, this is a good place to start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade
  - IceCreamGondola 7y ago
    As I've said elsewhere, I have no issue with global trade. What I have an issue with is our over-reliance on global trade.

> why 14,000 sheep needed to be transported why not? if i sell my sheep and need to deliver them to the buyer, then i'll need a form of transport.

by kmlx 7y ago

> why 14,000 sheep needed to be transported why not? if i sell my sheep and need to deliver them to the buyer, then i'll need a form of transport.

netcan 7y ago

The pertinent question is "why live?" Live transports are (for example) the biggest animal welfare issue for kiwi sheep.

Lev1a 7y ago
Because of religious BS.
- ruthless_banker 7y ago
  Careful, you are dangerously close to hate speech.
zanybear 7y ago
I'm assuming because of the way an animal is sacrificed in order to be considered "halal". It would require a large slaughterhouse with the proper setup, which in an 98% orthodox country is not a easy arrangement.
- toomanybeersies 7y ago
  About 25% of red meat exports from New Zealand are halal, and almost every slaughterhouse is capable of halal slaughter. It's actually not particularly difficult to do halal slaughter, the two main requirements are that it is killed with a cut to the throat (common in non-halal slaughter) by a Muslim.
  - netcan 7y ago
    I'm not sure the muslim is a requirement per se, it's just that in practice there's an overseer. Many/most Muslim clerics accept kosher meat as halal, for example, even though the supervision is not necessarily Muslim.
aivisol 7y ago
This might give some clue: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhabihah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhabihah "The slaughter itself must be done by a sane (mentally competent) adult Muslim."
- netcan 7y ago
  Halal abatoirs are the norm in most Sheep producing parts of Australia/NZ. This is far from unbridgeable. The immediate reason for live exports now is there there's a premium on live sheep, often in the middle east. Anyway, either the exporting or importing country can "ban" live shipping, so if origin and destination countries have different opinions that doesn't mean things can't change. Obviously ban doesn't mean ban, just regulate to the point where transport-to-abatoir doesn't make sense. Obviously breeding stock and such will still travel.

IceCreamGondola 7y ago

Nothing wrong with needing to transport but the problem is that globalisation has made it economically more viable to sell globally than locally. Produce should first be sourced locally then globally when they really need it.

kmlx 7y ago
> Produce should first be sourced locally then globally when they really need it. global (aka long-distance) trade started around 3000 BC. it got a boom in 1815 due to mechanisation. if you want to find out more, this is a good place to start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade
- IceCreamGondola 7y ago
  As I've said elsewhere, I have no issue with global trade. What I have an issue with is our over-reliance on global trade.