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> There is no indication that this information was a target of the fired employees. This bit? "The individual set up notifications so that they received email

> There is no indication that this information was a target of the fired employees. This bit? "The individual set up notifications so that they received emails detailing the work and whereabouts of those employees, including personal matters such as 1:1s, medical appointments and family activities"

H8crilA 7y ago
It's a little stalky, but yeah your work calendar is public on purpose - it's incredibly useful. People look it up before walking to your desk to chat and especially before setting up meetings. Just put a block of "busy", serves the same purpose. Nobody really cares if you're in a hospital or just running.
- koheripbal 7y ago
  Does that give them the right to take a screenshot of it and send it out of the company?
  - H8crilA 7y ago
    You cannot take any screenshot or any document or any piece of code from any company. This is common sense, in addition to probably being a copyright issue. I'm not sure why would anyone expect to be respected by their employer without following this rule. I meant public as in "internally public".
leereeves 7y ago
> "The individual set up notifications so that they received emails detailing the work and whereabouts of those employees, including personal matters such as 1:1s, medical appointments and family activities" Which could mean simply: 1) individual subscribed to other employee's work calendars, which are visible to everyone within Google, 2) individual had calendar notifications turned on, and 3) other employees posted personal matters on their work calendars.
Fiadliel 7y ago
They obviously subscribed to work calendars in order to follow the work activities of those people. There is no other technical way to do that. There isn’t a way to separate out personal events — which shouldn’t be there, or at least should be marked private. That this information was included, does not indicate that it was a target; it does indicate that it was a useful way for Google to attack their actions.
- eloisant 7y ago
  There is a way - use different calendars for work and home. Preferably with different accounts (work account vs personal account). You can then blend the 2 calendars either in the mobile app, or by importing one to the other account. I'm a bit surprised to hear some people would use their work calendar for personal activities, I don't see why you would do that.
  - praxulus 7y ago
    Right, but there's no way to separate out personal events when you subscribe to someone else's work calendar if they put personal events on their work calendar.
    - johnchristopher 7y ago
      But if you subcribe to such (edit: you colleague's) calendars for work purposes then why set up notifications for family activities ?
  - Fiadliel 7y ago
    I meant, there is no way for subscribers to a calendar to do that automatically. There are possible heuristics that could filter out clearly personal entries (keywords, etc.), but that feature would need to be implemented by (cough) Google. There are obvious ways for calendar owners to separate the information (which was not done in the instances that Google refer to).
  - jmkd 7y ago
    Because you have one life and busy days and personal and professional merge with a lunchtime meeting then an afternoon doctor's appointment etc. When you are back to back most days (common at Google) you can't be juggling multiple calendar accounts all the time, not least because a personal event doesn't show on your professional cal meaning someone can try to double book that slot.
barrkel 7y ago
This appears to be the default for G Suite settings, though. I can set up notifications to receive emails about work calendar entries for anyone in my company. Details around medical, family etc. are only visible if the employee adds that information to their work calendar.

H8crilA 7y ago

It's a little stalky, but yeah your work calendar is public on purpose - it's incredibly useful. People look it up before walking to your desk to chat and especially before setting up meetings. Just put a block of "busy", serves the same purpose. Nobody really cares if you're in a hospital or just running.

koheripbal 7y ago
Does that give them the right to take a screenshot of it and send it out of the company?
- H8crilA 7y ago
  You cannot take any screenshot or any document or any piece of code from any company. This is common sense, in addition to probably being a copyright issue. I'm not sure why would anyone expect to be respected by their employer without following this rule. I meant public as in "internally public".

leereeves 7y ago

> "The individual set up notifications so that they received emails detailing the work and whereabouts of those employees, including personal matters such as 1:1s, medical appointments and family activities" Which could mean simply: 1) individual subscribed to other employee's work calendars, which are visible to everyone within Google, 2) individual had calendar notifications turned on, and 3) other employees posted personal matters on their work calendars.

Fiadliel 7y ago

They obviously subscribed to work calendars in order to follow the work activities of those people. There is no other technical way to do that. There isn’t a way to separate out personal events — which shouldn’t be there, or at least should be marked private. That this information was included, does not indicate that it was a target; it does indicate that it was a useful way for Google to attack their actions.

eloisant 7y ago
There is a way - use different calendars for work and home. Preferably with different accounts (work account vs personal account). You can then blend the 2 calendars either in the mobile app, or by importing one to the other account. I'm a bit surprised to hear some people would use their work calendar for personal activities, I don't see why you would do that.
- praxulus 7y ago
  Right, but there's no way to separate out personal events when you subscribe to someone else's work calendar if they put personal events on their work calendar.
  - johnchristopher 7y ago
    But if you subcribe to such (edit: you colleague's) calendars for work purposes then why set up notifications for family activities ?
- Fiadliel 7y ago
  I meant, there is no way for subscribers to a calendar to do that automatically. There are possible heuristics that could filter out clearly personal entries (keywords, etc.), but that feature would need to be implemented by (cough) Google. There are obvious ways for calendar owners to separate the information (which was not done in the instances that Google refer to).
- jmkd 7y ago
  Because you have one life and busy days and personal and professional merge with a lunchtime meeting then an afternoon doctor's appointment etc. When you are back to back most days (common at Google) you can't be juggling multiple calendar accounts all the time, not least because a personal event doesn't show on your professional cal meaning someone can try to double book that slot.

barrkel 7y ago

This appears to be the default for G Suite settings, though. I can set up notifications to receive emails about work calendar entries for anyone in my company. Details around medical, family etc. are only visible if the employee adds that information to their work calendar.