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The election of Donald Trump could be seen as the result of the radicalisation of the working class.

Pigo 7y ago
I'm sure a lot of people agree with you, but I still see putting a war-hawk like Hillary in the oval office as a radical concept.
akhilcacharya 7y ago
It's not the working class, it's exclusively the white working class.
aphextim 7y ago
I think it's more likely due to the echo chamber of the media/pollsters and big cities who didn't count of all the 'fly over' areas actually coming together. I remember working a temp job at a polling call center and although I was just doing grunt work of calling people, it was clearly obvious they were doing polls to hear what they wanted. There was only 1 survey out of maybe 200 that was what I would consider unbiased and didn't have any leading questions or pre-picked answers. You would screen out people in the beginning of the survey that were obviously not interested in whoever candidate you were calling in regards to, and more often than not the survey itself would have leading questions to get the answers they want so they can take the results and be like, "See our Candidate is winning!!!" - yet they only called people and did the survey with those who were already willing to vote for said candidate. Polls are literally circle jerking people who were voting democrat and those regarding republican candidate were always negative. It also could be that the particular call center I was working out of only had contracts with Democratic parties/PACS but from my time there it was clear that polls are a racket.
kingkawn 7y ago
I’m not sure why you’re downvoted, this is definitely true at least for the white uneducated working class. Yes, it is a reflection of old ideology that was used to exploit them in the past, so it is tragic that this is where their expression of group assertion is getting its start. Yet I think as the public discourse among this group continues to grow in sophistication it will develop a more nuanced worldview and will assert its power with greater wisdom.
joeblubaugh 7y ago
Trump voters are on average wealthier than Clinton voters: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/06/05/its-time-to-bust-the-myth-most-trump-voters-were-not-working-class/?outputType=amp https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/06/0...
- war1025 7y ago
  I would guess (completely based on personal experience) that most in the service class voted for Clinton, while working class is more centered around manufacturing, which does pay better than the service industry. A big part of the issue is that people have different definitions for all the various social classes, so it's hard to compare things correctly.

Pigo 7y ago

I'm sure a lot of people agree with you, but I still see putting a war-hawk like Hillary in the oval office as a radical concept.

akhilcacharya 7y ago

It's not the working class, it's exclusively the white working class.

aphextim 7y ago

I think it's more likely due to the echo chamber of the media/pollsters and big cities who didn't count of all the 'fly over' areas actually coming together. I remember working a temp job at a polling call center and although I was just doing grunt work of calling people, it was clearly obvious they were doing polls to hear what they wanted. There was only 1 survey out of maybe 200 that was what I would consider unbiased and didn't have any leading questions or pre-picked answers. You would screen out people in the beginning of the survey that were obviously not interested in whoever candidate you were calling in regards to, and more often than not the survey itself would have leading questions to get the answers they want so they can take the results and be like, "See our Candidate is winning!!!" - yet they only called people and did the survey with those who were already willing to vote for said candidate. Polls are literally circle jerking people who were voting democrat and those regarding republican candidate were always negative. It also could be that the particular call center I was working out of only had contracts with Democratic parties/PACS but from my time there it was clear that polls are a racket.

kingkawn 7y ago

I’m not sure why you’re downvoted, this is definitely true at least for the white uneducated working class. Yes, it is a reflection of old ideology that was used to exploit them in the past, so it is tragic that this is where their expression of group assertion is getting its start. Yet I think as the public discourse among this group continues to grow in sophistication it will develop a more nuanced worldview and will assert its power with greater wisdom.

joeblubaugh 7y ago

Trump voters are on average wealthier than Clinton voters: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/06/05/its-time-to-bust-the-myth-most-trump-voters-were-not-working-class/?outputType=amp https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/06/0...

war1025 7y ago
I would guess (completely based on personal experience) that most in the service class voted for Clinton, while working class is more centered around manufacturing, which does pay better than the service industry. A big part of the issue is that people have different definitions for all the various social classes, so it's hard to compare things correctly.