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Masterful persona work there. But for your reference, to respond to some of the attitudes of your account, I just don't believe the Western media narrative abou
by slowenough 7y ago
Masterful persona work there. But for your reference, to respond to some of the attitudes of your account, I just don't believe the Western media narrative about Xinjiang.
Here's what I think:
There is some torture and physical beatings of residents, but a very small percentage of "worst offenders" go through that process. The vast majority of stuff that happens in the campuses is designed around getting people to be constructive members of society.
If you compare the level of violence there, with violence against detainees at various black sites, extrajudicial prisons, or even just the regular prison system in the West, I think you're just splitting hairs. So what are you so concerned about this for?
Of course, if you really care so much about Xinjiang, just go there and "die as a martyr" if that's what you really believe happens. I'm joking.
Xinjiang is a problem, because the rise of terrorist ideology using Islam as a delivery vector could easily spread through the region and cause unrest. I think what the government did by pre-emptively controlling the area was very masterful and a good thing. They prevented unrest and contagious unrest by taking decisive steps, and now that area is going to be saved, instead of damaged by the virus of terrorism.
The other problem is just cultural. Those steppe people are stubborn, they think they can do whatever they like, since for thousands of years their culture is independent. But they have to adjust to the contemporary world where everything is under the purview of one state or another. That is a cultural adjustment against the DNA of those people to be stubborn and independent. So China has to shape them into a more compatible form, so they don't deal with issues in future. It's sad about the old ways having to die out and change, but at the same time, these people would cause problems anywhere, since no place in the world is compatible with that. If you look throughout history these people of the steppe caused recurring problems again and again at the fringes of all empires.
Eventually, this type of culture has to be assimilated into a larger more stable culture and preserved that way, or it won't be able to exist.
At least it's not an out and out slaughter like of the Native Americans. The solution the Chinese are doing, is actually more humane that just starting a war in the region, or killing everyone. China doesn't want to have to deal with the problem, but it's their problem because it's under their state, so they have to deal with it.
Also, people think that China wants "homogeneity". That is rubbish. They don't care about everybody looking the same, acting the same, or whatever. There are so many regions in China with different dress, food, language, custom. More variety than in the West. But that's whitewashed by the Western "journalists". They even don't want everyone to think the same. They do want to promote common purpose and collective identity, because that makes the country strong.
Also, in the West, the media is used to inflame divisions and further divide people, and create a milieu of confusion and conflict. Half the reason China censors the media and online is to prevent the abuse of it leading to this kind of Chaos. Because China is not a democracy it gets no utility from inflaming people's passions and dividing them against each other. So it can afford to promote their own collective harmony, and individual peace and happiness.
- philwelch 7y ago> But for your reference, to respond to some of the attitudes of your account, I just don't believe the Western media narrative about Xinjiang. Apologists for totalitarian regimes usually deny the atrocities those regimes commit. I just wanted to see you do it and discredit yourself in the process.
- slowenough 7y agoWell, I guess you got what you wanted? And why would you want me to discredit myself? Are you threatened by my opinion? If you are then how are you going to learn to think differently, and if you can't think differently how can we trust your conclusion? You're just confirming your biases, pal, but pretending you're "morally righteous". So boorish, so tired, and so....Pathetic. But can you "deny" something if it's not true? Isn't that confirming the untruth? But was I denying it? I'm saying the Western propaganda is overblown but it looks like there's there's suppression going on. I just don't think it's an "atrocity", I think terrorism is the atrocity, and I think what China is doing is the correct path. But I guess you're an apologist for Xinjiang terrorists, huh, pal? It looks like the only one who's discredited is you for shamelessly misrepresenting me here. If you misrepresent me here, what do you do with any news article; just twist it to fit your agenda? Why should anyone listen to such a shameless misrepresenter? Anyway, if you claim the Western media is telling the truth, and it's not just your belief, prove it to me. Or don't you have the conviction? Thanks, pal. XD But we all get to pick our side, right? So pick yours. Apologist for China cracking down on terrorists, or apologist for "Islamic" terrorism. I know where I stand. Do you? Hahah. This is too easy, pal. Whatugot? Quick, you better invoke another persona. Looks like that one's gonna run outta steam.
- philwelch 7y ago> If you misrepresent me here, what do you do with any news article; just twist it to fit your agenda? Why should anyone listen to such a shameless misrepresenter? You’re the one who’s twisting news articles to fit your agenda. Here’s what you’re doing: you’re denying firsthand accounts of the actual conditions inside the camps, and then you are turning around to justify what’s happening inside the camps. Did China have a terrorism problem in the first place? Did Xinjiang terrorists hijack an airliner and fly it into a skyscraper in Shanghai? Of course not. Uighur “terrorism” is a lie that you are telling to justify atrocities at the very same time that you deny that those atrocities are happening in the first place. Meanwhile you’re accusing me of not being open to dissenting views, such as...having a state-controlled media that doesn’t publish dissenting views. You’re accusing me of being unwilling to think differently while championing the cause of throwing “steppe people” into prison camps for the crime of being so stubborn that they think differently from the rest of China. I’m not threatened by your opinion, because your opinion is an incoherent mess built on a foundation of lies. What I am threatened by is the geopolitical power of the liars, torturers, rapists, and mass murderers you are defending.