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I stopped eating meat long enough ago that I've lost the taste for it and I'm aware of how dirty factory farms and industrial slaughterhouses are so this does g

I stopped eating meat long enough ago that I've lost the taste for it and I'm aware of how dirty factory farms and industrial slaughterhouses are so this does gross me out a bit. Would it bother you to eat food that was cooked on a grill that was also used to barbecue dogs? That's how some vegans feel about this. But like I said I think getting some meat alternatives in front of the general public is important enough that I'll live with it.

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cramjabsyn 7y ago
Wouldn’t bother me. Dogs, franks, sausages, burgers, steaks, whatever. If they scrape clean the cook surface and make an effort to keep things separated I’m happy.
- cageface 7y ago
  I mean actual canine dogs, as eaten in a lot of Asian countries.
  - bauruine 7y ago
    I wouldn't care. Rats, insects or something like dog food on the other side would may bother me so I think I get the point.
  - quelltext 7y ago
    Please list the "a lot of Asian countries".
    - tom_mellior 7y ago
      Not the parent and not taking any side in this discussion, but I was interested in looking this up, so here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog#As_food https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog#As_food "Dog meat is consumed in some East Asian countries, including Korea, China and Vietnam, a practice that dates back to antiquity. It is estimated that 13–16 million dogs are killed and consumed in Asia every year." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat "In the 21st century, dog meat is consumed in some regions of China, South Korea, Vietnam, and Nigeria and it is still eaten or is legal to be eaten in other countries throughout the world. [...] It was estimated in 2014 that worldwide, 25 million dogs are eaten each year by humans." I guess if what you took exception to was the "a lot" part, then three Asian countries might indeed not qualify as "a lot".
      - quelltext 7y ago
        Yes, my point was that 3 is not a lot and it's not even that mainstream there. I don't know if there was an additional undertone in the original comment, but either way it was factually wrong. Dog meat consumption is really not that high.
    - matt-attack 7y ago
      Why be defensive about facts. I don’t think anyone here would look down on those countries for it. The criteria for which exact species of plants animal and fungi is ok to eat is entirely arbitrary and regionally specific.
      - cageface 7y ago
        Exactly. I don't understand why Americans, for example, eat pigs every day and think nothing of it but are horrified by the idea of eating a dog. What's the difference?
      - quelltext 7y ago
        Fact is that it's actually not that many countries. I also don't look down on the practice. I hear that in Korea therr are specific dogs bred for consumption and quite tasty.
absolute-0 7y ago
At its core, the reality is that all Burger King restaurants are franchises, and with that comes spotty coverage of some of the more punishing details for any canned preparation of their menu items. I think the Impossible Whopper will stick around, but the sacrosanct vegan preparation was just a promotional gimmick to stimulate sales, with no intention of adherence to strict practices. My suspicion was always that the vegan options would be promoted for the initial release, but then it would be quietly walked back to typical preparation steps after the hype died down, and the rate of sandwich sales peaked and leveled off. With that, you get shift managers of individual locations, hamfistedly claiming whatever they think passes for customer service, whether that be keeping the customer lines and drive through windows moving at a brisk pace during lunch and evening rushes, or bending over backwards for the squeakiest wheels in search of grease. Meanwhile, dog meat analogies aside, the cult of the complainiest customers will only win so many victories. The patty might be vegan, and the last mile falls upon the 16 year-old kid behind the counter. Disgust, revulsion, and so on, at the thought of giving any money to a meat selling business that moves titanic quantities of animal carcass should give a vegan pause, before even stepping through the front door, if they're that serious about their belief system. It's fine to level the argument that the tiniest drop of raw sewage is unacceptable in any glass of water, but the reality is that the consumer's physiological fragility remains unharmed and unthreatened in a scenario such as this. The comingled vegan and animal byproducts are a reality, evident by virtue of the very nature establishment itself. You get what you pay for. It's fast food. They won't stop selling the burger, but they might annotate Vegan* with an asterisk. * at participating locations
croisillon 7y ago
Same here, "only" a vegetarian but when my falafel/döner place use the same fork to pick meat and my falafel I cringe a bit (and still eat it, yes).
ukoki 7y ago
So you are saying you would go to a restaurant that barbecues dogs, provided the dogs were barbecued on a different grill? Surely anyone who thinks meat is that bad would never step foot in a restaurant that cooks meat in the first place, regardless of grills?
- kalleboo 7y ago
  If you’re surrounded by a culture that eats dog with every meal you might not have a choice?

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cramjabsyn 7y ago

Wouldn’t bother me. Dogs, franks, sausages, burgers, steaks, whatever. If they scrape clean the cook surface and make an effort to keep things separated I’m happy.

cageface 7y ago
I mean actual canine dogs, as eaten in a lot of Asian countries.
- bauruine 7y ago
  I wouldn't care. Rats, insects or something like dog food on the other side would may bother me so I think I get the point.
- quelltext 7y ago
  Please list the "a lot of Asian countries".
  - tom_mellior 7y ago
    Not the parent and not taking any side in this discussion, but I was interested in looking this up, so here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog#As_food https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog#As_food "Dog meat is consumed in some East Asian countries, including Korea, China and Vietnam, a practice that dates back to antiquity. It is estimated that 13–16 million dogs are killed and consumed in Asia every year." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat "In the 21st century, dog meat is consumed in some regions of China, South Korea, Vietnam, and Nigeria and it is still eaten or is legal to be eaten in other countries throughout the world. [...] It was estimated in 2014 that worldwide, 25 million dogs are eaten each year by humans." I guess if what you took exception to was the "a lot" part, then three Asian countries might indeed not qualify as "a lot".
    - quelltext 7y ago
      Yes, my point was that 3 is not a lot and it's not even that mainstream there. I don't know if there was an additional undertone in the original comment, but either way it was factually wrong. Dog meat consumption is really not that high.
  - matt-attack 7y ago
    Why be defensive about facts. I don’t think anyone here would look down on those countries for it. The criteria for which exact species of plants animal and fungi is ok to eat is entirely arbitrary and regionally specific.
    - cageface 7y ago
      Exactly. I don't understand why Americans, for example, eat pigs every day and think nothing of it but are horrified by the idea of eating a dog. What's the difference?
    - quelltext 7y ago
      Fact is that it's actually not that many countries. I also don't look down on the practice. I hear that in Korea therr are specific dogs bred for consumption and quite tasty.

absolute-0 7y ago

At its core, the reality is that all Burger King restaurants are franchises, and with that comes spotty coverage of some of the more punishing details for any canned preparation of their menu items. I think the Impossible Whopper will stick around, but the sacrosanct vegan preparation was just a promotional gimmick to stimulate sales, with no intention of adherence to strict practices. My suspicion was always that the vegan options would be promoted for the initial release, but then it would be quietly walked back to typical preparation steps after the hype died down, and the rate of sandwich sales peaked and leveled off. With that, you get shift managers of individual locations, hamfistedly claiming whatever they think passes for customer service, whether that be keeping the customer lines and drive through windows moving at a brisk pace during lunch and evening rushes, or bending over backwards for the squeakiest wheels in search of grease. Meanwhile, dog meat analogies aside, the cult of the complainiest customers will only win so many victories. The patty might be vegan, and the last mile falls upon the 16 year-old kid behind the counter. Disgust, revulsion, and so on, at the thought of giving any money to a meat selling business that moves titanic quantities of animal carcass should give a vegan pause, before even stepping through the front door, if they're that serious about their belief system. It's fine to level the argument that the tiniest drop of raw sewage is unacceptable in any glass of water, but the reality is that the consumer's physiological fragility remains unharmed and unthreatened in a scenario such as this. The comingled vegan and animal byproducts are a reality, evident by virtue of the very nature establishment itself. You get what you pay for. It's fast food. They won't stop selling the burger, but they might annotate Vegan* with an asterisk. * at participating locations

croisillon 7y ago

Same here, "only" a vegetarian but when my falafel/döner place use the same fork to pick meat and my falafel I cringe a bit (and still eat it, yes).

ukoki 7y ago

So you are saying you would go to a restaurant that barbecues dogs, provided the dogs were barbecued on a different grill? Surely anyone who thinks meat is that bad would never step foot in a restaurant that cooks meat in the first place, regardless of grills?

kalleboo 7y ago
If you’re surrounded by a culture that eats dog with every meal you might not have a choice?