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If your worried about China recruiting your talent maybe, like, make them want to stay in the US? This is one example of how elites in this country get to have

If your worried about China recruiting your talent maybe, like, make them want to stay in the US? This is one example of how elites in this country get to have their own form of socialism whereas say a humble computer scientist must be subjected to the whims of the invisible hand for the sake of preserving market efficiency.

m0zg 7y ago
But you can't make foreign intelligence assets "stay in the US" as it were. I bet every single large tech company in the US has rather substantial numbers of Chinese (and other countries') spies embedded within it. They also get caught again, and again, and again. And remember it's only the idiots who carry secrets on their person that get caught, rather than just upload data straight to some servers in China. I bet there's quite a bit of that going on as well. The recent few cases are just baffling. The guy resigns and gets caught on the border exfiltrating trade secrets. For one thing, why resign? Just go - you'll get fired automatically when you don't return. For another, why carry this stuff in your suitcase? Just upload it to AWS in encrypted form sail through the customs with no problem at all. They are clearly not sending their best.
- ngcc_hk 7y ago
  Or this explicit list of talents https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Talents_Program https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Talents_Program Strange and I still do not understand why they so explicit about it. The key is you cannot easy reside, study, work in China key U and technology program freely. But seems you can in Usa. An one sided war with one side powerful but leaking key assets. Hence all these shooting using software and chip.
- throwawaypolicy 7y ago
  > But you can't make foreign intelligence assets "stay in the US" as it were You can though, it's called defecting. There's a long history of it. E.g. see this list of defectors from the soviet union: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_and_Eastern_Bloc_defectors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_and_Eastern_Blo...
  - m0zg 7y ago
    Chinese intelligence defectors, even very high profile ones tend to not live for very long: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/04/business/hna-chairman-wang-jian-death.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/04/business/hna-chairman-wan... Place bets on how long this guy will survive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdR-I35Ladk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdR-I35Ladk. I strongly suspect he won't last a year.
- tempsolution 7y ago
  This made me laugh :D. Their "best", might not want to work at big tech companies just to exfiltrate secrets. And also their "best" would have an increased chance of being identified in background checks... They are probably just sending some poor students who are pressured into it an exchange for whatever, if they get anything at all besides "not being punished".

m0zg 7y ago

But you can't make foreign intelligence assets "stay in the US" as it were. I bet every single large tech company in the US has rather substantial numbers of Chinese (and other countries') spies embedded within it. They also get caught again, and again, and again. And remember it's only the idiots who carry secrets on their person that get caught, rather than just upload data straight to some servers in China. I bet there's quite a bit of that going on as well. The recent few cases are just baffling. The guy resigns and gets caught on the border exfiltrating trade secrets. For one thing, why resign? Just go - you'll get fired automatically when you don't return. For another, why carry this stuff in your suitcase? Just upload it to AWS in encrypted form sail through the customs with no problem at all. They are clearly not sending their best.

ngcc_hk 7y ago
Or this explicit list of talents https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Talents_Program https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Talents_Program Strange and I still do not understand why they so explicit about it. The key is you cannot easy reside, study, work in China key U and technology program freely. But seems you can in Usa. An one sided war with one side powerful but leaking key assets. Hence all these shooting using software and chip.
throwawaypolicy 7y ago
> But you can't make foreign intelligence assets "stay in the US" as it were You can though, it's called defecting. There's a long history of it. E.g. see this list of defectors from the soviet union: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_and_Eastern_Bloc_defectors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_and_Eastern_Blo...
- m0zg 7y ago
  Chinese intelligence defectors, even very high profile ones tend to not live for very long: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/04/business/hna-chairman-wang-jian-death.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/04/business/hna-chairman-wan... Place bets on how long this guy will survive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdR-I35Ladk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdR-I35Ladk. I strongly suspect he won't last a year.
tempsolution 7y ago
This made me laugh :D. Their "best", might not want to work at big tech companies just to exfiltrate secrets. And also their "best" would have an increased chance of being identified in background checks... They are probably just sending some poor students who are pressured into it an exchange for whatever, if they get anything at all besides "not being punished".