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“The Chinese Communist Party is trying to circumvent our export control system to support national security threats like Huawei - we cannot let it succeed,” Th

“The Chinese Communist Party is trying to circumvent our export control system to support national security threats like Huawei - we cannot let it succeed,” This is just comedy.

m0zg 7y ago
Why is this "comedy"? That's exactly what they are trying to do. Moreover, the US taxpayer is paying for it all. https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2019-11-18%20PSI%20Staff%20Report%20-%20China's%20Talent%20Recruitment%20Plans%20Updated.pdf https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2019-11-18%20PSI%...
- spamizbad 7y ago
  If your worried about China recruiting your talent maybe, like, make them want to stay in the US? This is one example of how elites in this country get to have their own form of socialism whereas say a humble computer scientist must be subjected to the whims of the invisible hand for the sake of preserving market efficiency.
  - m0zg 7y ago
    But you can't make foreign intelligence assets "stay in the US" as it were. I bet every single large tech company in the US has rather substantial numbers of Chinese (and other countries') spies embedded within it. They also get caught again, and again, and again. And remember it's only the idiots who carry secrets on their person that get caught, rather than just upload data straight to some servers in China. I bet there's quite a bit of that going on as well. The recent few cases are just baffling. The guy resigns and gets caught on the border exfiltrating trade secrets. For one thing, why resign? Just go - you'll get fired automatically when you don't return. For another, why carry this stuff in your suitcase? Just upload it to AWS in encrypted form sail through the customs with no problem at all. They are clearly not sending their best.
    - ngcc_hk 7y ago
      Or this explicit list of talents https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Talents_Program https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Talents_Program Strange and I still do not understand why they so explicit about it. The key is you cannot easy reside, study, work in China key U and technology program freely. But seems you can in Usa. An one sided war with one side powerful but leaking key assets. Hence all these shooting using software and chip.
    - throwawaypolicy 7y ago
      > But you can't make foreign intelligence assets "stay in the US" as it were You can though, it's called defecting. There's a long history of it. E.g. see this list of defectors from the soviet union: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_and_Eastern_Bloc_defectors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_and_Eastern_Blo...
      - m0zg 7y ago
        Chinese intelligence defectors, even very high profile ones tend to not live for very long: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/04/business/hna-chairman-wang-jian-death.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/04/business/hna-chairman-wan... Place bets on how long this guy will survive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdR-I35Ladk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdR-I35Ladk. I strongly suspect he won't last a year.
    - tempsolution 7y ago
      This made me laugh :D. Their "best", might not want to work at big tech companies just to exfiltrate secrets. And also their "best" would have an increased chance of being identified in background checks... They are probably just sending some poor students who are pressured into it an exchange for whatever, if they get anything at all besides "not being punished".
- lone_haxx0r 7y ago
  Because it makes me laugh that they actually believe that the measures they're taking will somehow benefit the United States. It also makes me laugh that they think they can control the development of open standards.
  - m0zg 7y ago
    The uncomfortable truth is that restraining China's ambition does directly benefit the United States. Especially the part of the United States that's in the middle of the country that was basically sold out for a quick buck by the ruling elite over the past 3 decades.
- whoevercares 7y ago
  Look at the growing number of Chinese student returning home, something is pretty damn wrong. You know for my parent’s generation, being able to study and immigrate to US is their unreachable dream. Nowadays it’s faded and quite a lot people just came to gain the experience.
  - m0zg 7y ago
    Maybe they prefer to live under a communist dictatorship? I don't know. I grew up in the USSR. The reasons why anyone would want to return to this shit elude me completely.
    - whoevercares 7y ago
      Well For China it’s far from shit unfortunately. For one thing those can afford going abroad are still pretty much top 15% in big cities, definitely top 1% of entire population (ok that number is way too big). I can safely tell you dictatorship doesn’t affect those people that much. Also China has seen 800X increase in middle class over the last 20 years, it’s hard to convince us that the government is shit
      - m0zg 7y ago
        Dictatorship doesn't affect you that much until it does. That's what folks in Hong Kong and the Uighurs are finding out as we speak.
        whoevercares 7y ago
        But you do have to wait until it does. There’s almost no motivation for the majority of Chinese population to go against their government. HK is one of few places where those protests actually makes sense for democracy/historic reasons. Uighurs well blame Xi for that, it’s a stupid move that no previous leaders will make, but honestly you know what the majority Han population doesn’t really show sympathy, because there were terrorist from that area and they did kill people. It’s more like regional wars in the ancient times just this time it’s one sided
dang 7y ago
Please don't take HN threads into ideological or nationalistic flamewar. It's off topic here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

“The Chinese Communist Party is trying to circumvent our export control system to support national security threats like Huawei - we cannot let it succeed,” This is just comedy.

m0zg 7y ago

Why is this "comedy"? That's exactly what they are trying to do. Moreover, the US taxpayer is paying for it all. https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2019-11-18%20PSI%20Staff%20Report%20-%20China's%20Talent%20Recruitment%20Plans%20Updated.pdf https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/2019-11-18%20PSI%...

spamizbad 7y ago
If your worried about China recruiting your talent maybe, like, make them want to stay in the US? This is one example of how elites in this country get to have their own form of socialism whereas say a humble computer scientist must be subjected to the whims of the invisible hand for the sake of preserving market efficiency.
- m0zg 7y ago
  But you can't make foreign intelligence assets "stay in the US" as it were. I bet every single large tech company in the US has rather substantial numbers of Chinese (and other countries') spies embedded within it. They also get caught again, and again, and again. And remember it's only the idiots who carry secrets on their person that get caught, rather than just upload data straight to some servers in China. I bet there's quite a bit of that going on as well. The recent few cases are just baffling. The guy resigns and gets caught on the border exfiltrating trade secrets. For one thing, why resign? Just go - you'll get fired automatically when you don't return. For another, why carry this stuff in your suitcase? Just upload it to AWS in encrypted form sail through the customs with no problem at all. They are clearly not sending their best.
  - ngcc_hk 7y ago
    Or this explicit list of talents https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Talents_Program https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thousand_Talents_Program Strange and I still do not understand why they so explicit about it. The key is you cannot easy reside, study, work in China key U and technology program freely. But seems you can in Usa. An one sided war with one side powerful but leaking key assets. Hence all these shooting using software and chip.
  - throwawaypolicy 7y ago
    > But you can't make foreign intelligence assets "stay in the US" as it were You can though, it's called defecting. There's a long history of it. E.g. see this list of defectors from the soviet union: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_and_Eastern_Bloc_defectors https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Soviet_and_Eastern_Blo...
    - m0zg 7y ago
      Chinese intelligence defectors, even very high profile ones tend to not live for very long: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/04/business/hna-chairman-wang-jian-death.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/04/business/hna-chairman-wan... Place bets on how long this guy will survive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdR-I35Ladk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdR-I35Ladk. I strongly suspect he won't last a year.
  - tempsolution 7y ago
    This made me laugh :D. Their "best", might not want to work at big tech companies just to exfiltrate secrets. And also their "best" would have an increased chance of being identified in background checks... They are probably just sending some poor students who are pressured into it an exchange for whatever, if they get anything at all besides "not being punished".
lone_haxx0r 7y ago
Because it makes me laugh that they actually believe that the measures they're taking will somehow benefit the United States. It also makes me laugh that they think they can control the development of open standards.
- m0zg 7y ago
  The uncomfortable truth is that restraining China's ambition does directly benefit the United States. Especially the part of the United States that's in the middle of the country that was basically sold out for a quick buck by the ruling elite over the past 3 decades.
whoevercares 7y ago
Look at the growing number of Chinese student returning home, something is pretty damn wrong. You know for my parent’s generation, being able to study and immigrate to US is their unreachable dream. Nowadays it’s faded and quite a lot people just came to gain the experience.
- m0zg 7y ago
  Maybe they prefer to live under a communist dictatorship? I don't know. I grew up in the USSR. The reasons why anyone would want to return to this shit elude me completely.
  - whoevercares 7y ago
    Well For China it’s far from shit unfortunately. For one thing those can afford going abroad are still pretty much top 15% in big cities, definitely top 1% of entire population (ok that number is way too big). I can safely tell you dictatorship doesn’t affect those people that much. Also China has seen 800X increase in middle class over the last 20 years, it’s hard to convince us that the government is shit
    - m0zg 7y ago
      Dictatorship doesn't affect you that much until it does. That's what folks in Hong Kong and the Uighurs are finding out as we speak.
      - whoevercares 7y ago
        But you do have to wait until it does. There’s almost no motivation for the majority of Chinese population to go against their government. HK is one of few places where those protests actually makes sense for democracy/historic reasons. Uighurs well blame Xi for that, it’s a stupid move that no previous leaders will make, but honestly you know what the majority Han population doesn’t really show sympathy, because there were terrorist from that area and they did kill people. It’s more like regional wars in the ancient times just this time it’s one sided

dang 7y ago

Please don't take HN threads into ideological or nationalistic flamewar. It's off topic here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html