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I agree. I'm as vegan as I can be and still be a digital nomad but this seems like the lesser of two evils to me. I'd rather see this product stay on the market

I agree. I'm as vegan as I can be and still be a digital nomad but this seems like the lesser of two evils to me. I'd rather see this product stay on the market and introduce more people to the idea of eating less or even no meat. I understand why some vegans are put off by the idea of eating something cooked on the same grill as actual meat but I think we need pragmatism more than anything right now.

thunderbong 7y ago
In my experience most of the vegan evangelists are not pragmatists
- cageface 7y ago
  If you care about animal welfare at all and you know what goes on in factory farms it can be hard to take pragmatic positions. All the same though I think it doesn't help to come across as too uncompromising if you're trying to win people over to your cause.
  - lonelappde 7y ago
    This is a common argument, but backwards. The more important an issue is the more pragmatic you need to be, because results actually matter more than your gut feelings of discomfort, right?
bscphil 7y ago
> I understand why some vegans are put off by the idea of eating something cooked on the same grill as actual meat I genuinely have never met a vegan who would be bothered by this, and I know quite a few. If there were still bits of meat on the grill it could still be kind of gross if they came off on the burger I guess, but most would have no problem with it. This strikes me as an extremely rare case, and I don't see any obvious grounds for a lawsuit.
- cageface 7y ago
  I stopped eating meat long enough ago that I've lost the taste for it and I'm aware of how dirty factory farms and industrial slaughterhouses are so this does gross me out a bit. Would it bother you to eat food that was cooked on a grill that was also used to barbecue dogs? That's how some vegans feel about this. But like I said I think getting some meat alternatives in front of the general public is important enough that I'll live with it.
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  - cramjabsyn 7y ago
    Wouldn’t bother me. Dogs, franks, sausages, burgers, steaks, whatever. If they scrape clean the cook surface and make an effort to keep things separated I’m happy.
    - cageface 7y ago
      I mean actual canine dogs, as eaten in a lot of Asian countries.
      - bauruine 7y ago
        I wouldn't care. Rats, insects or something like dog food on the other side would may bother me so I think I get the point.
      - quelltext 7y ago
        Please list the "a lot of Asian countries".
        tom_mellior 7y ago
        Not the parent and not taking any side in this discussion, but I was interested in looking this up, so here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog#As_food https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog#As_food "Dog meat is consumed in some East Asian countries, including Korea, China and Vietnam, a practice that dates back to antiquity. It is estimated that 13–16 million dogs are killed and consumed in Asia every year." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat "In the 21st century, dog meat is consumed in some regions of China, South Korea, Vietnam, and Nigeria and it is still eaten or is legal to be eaten in other countries throughout the world. [...] It was estimated in 2014 that worldwide, 25 million dogs are eaten each year by humans." I guess if what you took exception to was the "a lot" part, then three Asian countries might indeed not qualify as "a lot".
neuralRiot 7y ago
>I think we need pragmatism more than anything right now. Why? What’s the emergency? BK raising their profits? They laughed at us not so long ago now they just realize there’s an opportunity here, i’d rather support local vegan eateries. It was as simple as putting a disclaimer in the ad “vegan burgers are cooked on shared equipment and can contain traces of meat”.
- cdumler 7y ago
  What's the emergency? Climate change, animal cruelty, piss-poor management of resources for the production of our food. Good grief, we're _well_ behind the curve for getting things changed in our society and world. I agree with Burger King is doing it for profit, but that's the point of capitalism: we if want change, we vote with our dollar. I have no huge love for impossible burger. It's too much like the real thing now that I'm years out from eating beef; however, I'm going to be buy some now and then because I want to see the product being sold.

thunderbong 7y ago

In my experience most of the vegan evangelists are not pragmatists

cageface 7y ago
If you care about animal welfare at all and you know what goes on in factory farms it can be hard to take pragmatic positions. All the same though I think it doesn't help to come across as too uncompromising if you're trying to win people over to your cause.
- lonelappde 7y ago
  This is a common argument, but backwards. The more important an issue is the more pragmatic you need to be, because results actually matter more than your gut feelings of discomfort, right?

bscphil 7y ago

> I understand why some vegans are put off by the idea of eating something cooked on the same grill as actual meat I genuinely have never met a vegan who would be bothered by this, and I know quite a few. If there were still bits of meat on the grill it could still be kind of gross if they came off on the burger I guess, but most would have no problem with it. This strikes me as an extremely rare case, and I don't see any obvious grounds for a lawsuit.

cageface 7y ago
I stopped eating meat long enough ago that I've lost the taste for it and I'm aware of how dirty factory farms and industrial slaughterhouses are so this does gross me out a bit. Would it bother you to eat food that was cooked on a grill that was also used to barbecue dogs? That's how some vegans feel about this. But like I said I think getting some meat alternatives in front of the general public is important enough that I'll live with it.
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- cramjabsyn 7y ago
  Wouldn’t bother me. Dogs, franks, sausages, burgers, steaks, whatever. If they scrape clean the cook surface and make an effort to keep things separated I’m happy.
  - cageface 7y ago
    I mean actual canine dogs, as eaten in a lot of Asian countries.
    - bauruine 7y ago
      I wouldn't care. Rats, insects or something like dog food on the other side would may bother me so I think I get the point.
    - quelltext 7y ago
      Please list the "a lot of Asian countries".
      - tom_mellior 7y ago
        Not the parent and not taking any side in this discussion, but I was interested in looking this up, so here you go: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog#As_food https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog#As_food "Dog meat is consumed in some East Asian countries, including Korea, China and Vietnam, a practice that dates back to antiquity. It is estimated that 13–16 million dogs are killed and consumed in Asia every year." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat "In the 21st century, dog meat is consumed in some regions of China, South Korea, Vietnam, and Nigeria and it is still eaten or is legal to be eaten in other countries throughout the world. [...] It was estimated in 2014 that worldwide, 25 million dogs are eaten each year by humans." I guess if what you took exception to was the "a lot" part, then three Asian countries might indeed not qualify as "a lot".

neuralRiot 7y ago

>I think we need pragmatism more than anything right now. Why? What’s the emergency? BK raising their profits? They laughed at us not so long ago now they just realize there’s an opportunity here, i’d rather support local vegan eateries. It was as simple as putting a disclaimer in the ad “vegan burgers are cooked on shared equipment and can contain traces of meat”.

cdumler 7y ago
What's the emergency? Climate change, animal cruelty, piss-poor management of resources for the production of our food. Good grief, we're _well_ behind the curve for getting things changed in our society and world. I agree with Burger King is doing it for profit, but that's the point of capitalism: we if want change, we vote with our dollar. I have no huge love for impossible burger. It's too much like the real thing now that I'm years out from eating beef; however, I'm going to be buy some now and then because I want to see the product being sold.