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"And remember… don’t be evil, and if you see something that you think isn’t right – speak up!" https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/ https://a

"And remember… don’t be evil, and if you see something that you think isn’t right – speak up!" https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/ https://abc.xyz/investor/other/google-code-of-conduct/

mikekchar 7y ago
This was never a reasonable thing to use as a code of conduct. Ironically, it only works if you restrict your hiring so that everybody that works there has the same point of view or same values. As hard as it is for many people to believe, almost nobody actually thinks they are "evil" or even what they are doing is "evil". On the contrary, the Dunning-Kruger effect will rear it's head. Those that are most likely to do "evil" are also the most likely not to recognise that it is "evil" and, in fact, will think it is the correct thing to do. Just take any political stance that you think is evil. There are thousands and probably millions of people who think it is not only a good idea, but possibly the only good idea. If you don't do it, you are ruining everything and only "stupid" people can't see it. I could go very extreme here and point to real work examples, but in an attempt to avoid Godwin's law, I'll try to refrain. To be very blunt, though, pretty much all hate speech includes rhetoric about how they are combating "evil". By encouraging all people to speak out against what they see as "evil", you are likely encouraging the opposite of what you are trying to achieve (unless your goals are chaotic shouting matches between hordes of people who all hate each other).
- rayiner 7y ago
  > By encouraging all people to speak out against what they see as "evil", you are likely encouraging the opposite of what you are trying to achieve (unless your goals are chaotic shouting matches between hordes of people who all hate each other). I’m beginning to understand why a lot of American social conventions existed.
- wilg 7y ago
  I'd say its reasonable from a moral universalism perspective. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_universalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_universalism)
  - mikekchar 7y ago
    It's not unusual for a company to align itself with a particular moral compass (especially connecting itself with religious organisations). But in that case you've got clear direction from the top what you expect.
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incantations 7y ago
Dont really see how that applies here. Whether or not you support open-borders is really just asking if you support the abolition of worker rights and cultural genocide. Google is clearly on the right here.

mikekchar 7y ago

This was never a reasonable thing to use as a code of conduct. Ironically, it only works if you restrict your hiring so that everybody that works there has the same point of view or same values. As hard as it is for many people to believe, almost nobody actually thinks they are "evil" or even what they are doing is "evil". On the contrary, the Dunning-Kruger effect will rear it's head. Those that are most likely to do "evil" are also the most likely not to recognise that it is "evil" and, in fact, will think it is the correct thing to do. Just take any political stance that you think is evil. There are thousands and probably millions of people who think it is not only a good idea, but possibly the only good idea. If you don't do it, you are ruining everything and only "stupid" people can't see it. I could go very extreme here and point to real work examples, but in an attempt to avoid Godwin's law, I'll try to refrain. To be very blunt, though, pretty much all hate speech includes rhetoric about how they are combating "evil". By encouraging all people to speak out against what they see as "evil", you are likely encouraging the opposite of what you are trying to achieve (unless your goals are chaotic shouting matches between hordes of people who all hate each other).

rayiner 7y ago
> By encouraging all people to speak out against what they see as "evil", you are likely encouraging the opposite of what you are trying to achieve (unless your goals are chaotic shouting matches between hordes of people who all hate each other). I’m beginning to understand why a lot of American social conventions existed.
wilg 7y ago
I'd say its reasonable from a moral universalism perspective. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_universalism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moral_universalism)
- mikekchar 7y ago
  It's not unusual for a company to align itself with a particular moral compass (especially connecting itself with religious organisations). But in that case you've got clear direction from the top what you expect.

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incantations 7y ago

Dont really see how that applies here. Whether or not you support open-borders is really just asking if you support the abolition of worker rights and cultural genocide. Google is clearly on the right here.