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Are you serious with 'loaded exploitation rhetoric'? Consumer marketplace apps are black-boxes which completely disregard all the workers rights battles of our

Are you serious with 'loaded exploitation rhetoric'? Consumer marketplace apps are black-boxes which completely disregard all the workers rights battles of our ancestors. To not see this is to put too much trust in digital tech as a magic fix to all problems.

patrickaljord 7y ago
> the workers rights battles of our ancestors. The consequence of these battles is that at least for low skill workers, all these jobs were shipped abroad (or just disappeared) where none of these rights exist. Creating huge unemployment, so now low skill workers have rights but no jobs and therefor make even less. The fact that people are willing to take these jobs is a sign that low skill workers are ok with having lower wages and less benefits if this means getting a job and a better pay. We could ban all these jobs of course but that would not give these low skill workers rights, it would just make them unemployed again.
- theaeolist 7y ago
  This general point does not apply to cleaners, drivers, and most of the gig economy.
  - patrickaljord 7y ago
    It does apply, that's why I said: > all these jobs were shipped abroad (or just disappeared) If we start imposing heavy regulation on the gig economy, it will not be viable anymore, these companies will need to shut down and those jobs will disappear. As for jobs like cleaners or waitress, companies will hire much less of them to the strict minimum. Jobs that would have existed would disappear too which is why you get long wait and horrible service in French restaurants for example where minimum wage and employee tax are super high even though France was known to invent the saying "the customer is king" and offering top tier commercial service, not anymore. What I'm saying is that making the cost of work and hiring more expensive artificially always ends up in job losses and worse quality service. When I say artificially I mean because of government imposition, not market force (which is usually due to growth so not an issue).
- lonelappde 7y ago
  You are right, we need a return of the international workers movement.

patrickaljord 7y ago

> the workers rights battles of our ancestors. The consequence of these battles is that at least for low skill workers, all these jobs were shipped abroad (or just disappeared) where none of these rights exist. Creating huge unemployment, so now low skill workers have rights but no jobs and therefor make even less. The fact that people are willing to take these jobs is a sign that low skill workers are ok with having lower wages and less benefits if this means getting a job and a better pay. We could ban all these jobs of course but that would not give these low skill workers rights, it would just make them unemployed again.

theaeolist 7y ago
This general point does not apply to cleaners, drivers, and most of the gig economy.
- patrickaljord 7y ago
  It does apply, that's why I said: > all these jobs were shipped abroad (or just disappeared) If we start imposing heavy regulation on the gig economy, it will not be viable anymore, these companies will need to shut down and those jobs will disappear. As for jobs like cleaners or waitress, companies will hire much less of them to the strict minimum. Jobs that would have existed would disappear too which is why you get long wait and horrible service in French restaurants for example where minimum wage and employee tax are super high even though France was known to invent the saying "the customer is king" and offering top tier commercial service, not anymore. What I'm saying is that making the cost of work and hiring more expensive artificially always ends up in job losses and worse quality service. When I say artificially I mean because of government imposition, not market force (which is usually due to growth so not an issue).
lonelappde 7y ago
You are right, we need a return of the international workers movement.