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Wouldn't his new Macbook come with Apple's office suite?

ExBritNStuff 7y ago
I'm nice and deep in the Apple world (iPhone, iPad, Macbook) and I generally am very pro-Apple. However, I can whole heartedly say for anyone with an even semi-complex use case, Numbers is completely unsuitable and will actually drive you insane. Just Google "apple numbers pivot table" for an example.
- rtpg 7y ago
  +1 on this. Keynote is very good, but Numbers gets functionally useless very quickly, and Pages is.... rough for anything that isn't "school essay". So fidgety! Turns out word processing is hard.
- beckingz 7y ago
  As a windows user moving towards Apple, it astounds me how immature numbers is. Keynote is okay, unless you want to export to any other format.
- wastedhours 7y ago
  I ended up buying my own Office subscription when I was working at a startup as Numbers was so hell inducing (and CEO refused to buy any equipment to help with the work...). Keynote is interesting and I've seen some consultants use it for sprint planning really effectively, but Numbers is an utter clusterf*ck.
- judge2020 7y ago
  Looks like some people put up with it :P - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JN4RI7nkes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JN4RI7nkes
jki275 7y ago
Numbers is a toy. Pages is a page layout program, and Keynote is nice to use for doing presentations but not really capable of generating Office compatible documents
- wherehouse 7y ago
  Underrated comment; Pages is a page-layout program. I've used Pages '09 for professional work (system architecture, audits, etc.) and it could do things that Word simply could not. Capabilities-wise, it felt closer to InDesign. Then in the next version, Apple dumbed it all down with the "panel"-style UI so it had similar UX to the iOS and web versions. It lost features. It got many of them back over the years, but that design move really broke my workflow for a while. I just kept Pages '09 around until the new version had parity, more or less. It really does work well. I got used to my Office-using colleagues asking, "how'd you do that?!" Downside is you are in a bubble and cannot round-trip documents without losing the really good layout stuff.
peruvian 7y ago
Keynote is still great, Pages is all right, and Number isn't fit for professional work. And none of them have been updated or received much work.

I'm nice and deep in the Apple world (iPhone, iPad, Macbook) and I generally am very pro-Apple. However, I can whole heartedly say for anyone with an even semi-complex use case, Numbers is completely unsuitable and will actually drive you insane. Just Google "apple numbers pivot table" for an example.

rtpg 7y ago
+1 on this. Keynote is very good, but Numbers gets functionally useless very quickly, and Pages is.... rough for anything that isn't "school essay". So fidgety! Turns out word processing is hard.
beckingz 7y ago
As a windows user moving towards Apple, it astounds me how immature numbers is. Keynote is okay, unless you want to export to any other format.
wastedhours 7y ago
I ended up buying my own Office subscription when I was working at a startup as Numbers was so hell inducing (and CEO refused to buy any equipment to help with the work...). Keynote is interesting and I've seen some consultants use it for sprint planning really effectively, but Numbers is an utter clusterf*ck.
judge2020 7y ago
Looks like some people put up with it :P - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JN4RI7nkes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JN4RI7nkes

jki275 7y ago

Numbers is a toy. Pages is a page layout program, and Keynote is nice to use for doing presentations but not really capable of generating Office compatible documents

wherehouse 7y ago
Underrated comment; Pages is a page-layout program. I've used Pages '09 for professional work (system architecture, audits, etc.) and it could do things that Word simply could not. Capabilities-wise, it felt closer to InDesign. Then in the next version, Apple dumbed it all down with the "panel"-style UI so it had similar UX to the iOS and web versions. It lost features. It got many of them back over the years, but that design move really broke my workflow for a while. I just kept Pages '09 around until the new version had parity, more or less. It really does work well. I got used to my Office-using colleagues asking, "how'd you do that?!" Downside is you are in a bubble and cannot round-trip documents without losing the really good layout stuff.

peruvian 7y ago

Keynote is still great, Pages is all right, and Number isn't fit for professional work. And none of them have been updated or received much work.