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6 pages of gaming benchmarks and not one compilation speed test. Baffling.

by boris 7y ago

MindTooth 7y ago
Here are some of Linux stuff: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-linux-3960x-3970x&num=1 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-linu...
- disintegore 7y ago
  Kernel 5.4 compiled under 24 seconds. Insane.
  - thebruce87m 7y ago
    Compile on boot
    - deleted 7y ago
      [deleted]
    - kami8845 7y ago
      This comment made my day :)
    - mkl 7y ago
      That was already a thing back in 2004: https://bellard.org/tcc/tccboot.html https://bellard.org/tcc/tccboot.html 15 seconds to compile and run a Linux kernel of the time (64MB RAM required!).
  - Someone1234 7y ago
    That is insane. I'm surprised it can even go that low, I would have expected it to hit an IO bottleneck before then (large object files/linking/source reads, etc). Even with a fast SSD on my lowly i7, I often wind up sitting at IO or lock contention instead of actual CPU bottlenecks (although it could be argued faster CPU = faster lock release = faster compilation).
    - zaarn 7y ago
      They used a Samsung Pro NVMe which should be able to hold almost all of the linux kernel sources in it's read cache without that many issues.
      - pradn 7y ago
        NVMes are magic. Just the same improvement that SSDs have over HDDs. Probably the only upgrade worth getting for my home PC at this point.
        charwalker 7y ago
        Technically, 100%. I'm full SSD right now though which has a seriously noticeable difference from from HDD but for what I do most days NVME isn't justifiable. I see others who can take advantage of the speeds and do so with huge returns. I do have 2 super SFF HP boxes that only take NVME in the M.2 drive so have one on hand but it isn't installed at the moment.
    - Beltiras 7y ago
      PCI-ex version 4, double the xfer rate. It can handle a massive 16 GB/s. Are there even disks that can handle that speed?
      - gameswithgo 7y ago
        not yet.
        spoonalious 7y ago
        https://www.aorus.com/AORUS-Gen4-AIC-SSD-8TB https://www.aorus.com/AORUS-Gen4-AIC-SSD-8TB 15000MB/sec, available now for $3119 AUD.
        wtallis 7y ago
        That's just four SSDs mounted on one riser card with a fan. If you're going to count the aggregate bandwidth of an array, then the question's almost meaningless.
  - lazyjones 7y ago
    With half the cores of the upcoming (early 2020) 3990X ...
  - yborg 7y ago
    Now there is no excuse to not Install Gentoo.
    - mastax 7y ago
      Hah! There is something cathartic about recompiling the world with -march=native even if it makes no noticable difference.
  - Scuds 7y ago
    Would the best use of this CPU be in a group or multi-group build+integration server? It's $2000 for the CPU alone, so this can't be general-use.
    - disintegore 7y ago
      I also imagine it'd be useful as a rendering machine for small to medium media companies.
xbmcuser 7y ago
Here you can see some compiling benchmarks by linus tech tips. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8apEJ5Zt2s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8apEJ5Zt2s
dumpsterkid 7y ago
LinusTechTips has compile time for Mozilla Firefox as a comparative benchmark in their review video
ATsch 7y ago
This is my frustration with almost all tech sites. The AMD press deck included compilation benchmarks, but the only others to reliably provide them are Phoronix.
- agumonkey 7y ago
  There's a void to film then.
- close04 7y ago
  Most reviewers don't bother doing compile benchmarks because they're not as familiar with them and perhaps they don't come in the same "canned" form as every other gaming benchmark. It may also be that each site caters to a particular audience. On the other hand bench results have to be comparable and relevant (in time). Which is easy when you run the same still widely played GTA V year after year on every new CPU. But comparing compilation time for kernel version 3.11 (released at the same time as GTA V) seems a lot less relevant today.
  - ATsch 7y ago
    Maybe this would change if someone would pre-package a build environment with source code, a nice gui and fancy abstract visualization of the compile process.
    - vlovich123 7y ago
      Phoronix does this already AFAIK. https://github.com/phoronix-test-suite/phoronix-test-suite https://github.com/phoronix-test-suite/phoronix-test-suite
      - ATsch 7y ago
        Phoronix does do this, but it's unfortunately harder to use than would be required for wide adoption in the press. It really has to be as simple as downloading an exe that pops up a window with a "go" button when run, and has to show some nice things happening on screen. Game and graphics benchmarks do this, so that's what they use.
gowld 7y ago
Anandtech is a site for benchmark fanbois, not shopping for compute value.
undersuit 7y ago
"Also, our compile test seems to have broken itself when we used Windows 10 1909, and due to travel we have not had time to debug why it is no longer working. We hope to get this test up and running in the new year, along with an updated test suite." So there's that. I'd give them a break with the fact they also had to produce the review for Intel's launch on the same day: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15039/the-intel-core-i9-10980xe-review https://www.anandtech.com/show/15039/the-intel-core-i9-10980...

6 pages of gaming benchmarks and not one compilation speed test. Baffling.

by boris 7y ago

6 pages of gaming benchmarks and not one compilation speed test. Baffling.

Here are some of Linux stuff: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-linux-3960x-3970x&num=1 https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd-linu...

disintegore 7y ago
Kernel 5.4 compiled under 24 seconds. Insane.
- thebruce87m 7y ago
  Compile on boot
  - deleted 7y ago
    [deleted]
  - kami8845 7y ago
    This comment made my day :)
  - mkl 7y ago
    That was already a thing back in 2004: https://bellard.org/tcc/tccboot.html https://bellard.org/tcc/tccboot.html 15 seconds to compile and run a Linux kernel of the time (64MB RAM required!).
- Someone1234 7y ago
  That is insane. I'm surprised it can even go that low, I would have expected it to hit an IO bottleneck before then (large object files/linking/source reads, etc). Even with a fast SSD on my lowly i7, I often wind up sitting at IO or lock contention instead of actual CPU bottlenecks (although it could be argued faster CPU = faster lock release = faster compilation).
  - zaarn 7y ago
    They used a Samsung Pro NVMe which should be able to hold almost all of the linux kernel sources in it's read cache without that many issues.
    - pradn 7y ago
      NVMes are magic. Just the same improvement that SSDs have over HDDs. Probably the only upgrade worth getting for my home PC at this point.
      - charwalker 7y ago
        Technically, 100%. I'm full SSD right now though which has a seriously noticeable difference from from HDD but for what I do most days NVME isn't justifiable. I see others who can take advantage of the speeds and do so with huge returns. I do have 2 super SFF HP boxes that only take NVME in the M.2 drive so have one on hand but it isn't installed at the moment.
  - Beltiras 7y ago
    PCI-ex version 4, double the xfer rate. It can handle a massive 16 GB/s. Are there even disks that can handle that speed?
    - gameswithgo 7y ago
      not yet.
      - spoonalious 7y ago
        https://www.aorus.com/AORUS-Gen4-AIC-SSD-8TB https://www.aorus.com/AORUS-Gen4-AIC-SSD-8TB 15000MB/sec, available now for $3119 AUD.
        wtallis 7y ago
        That's just four SSDs mounted on one riser card with a fan. If you're going to count the aggregate bandwidth of an array, then the question's almost meaningless.
- lazyjones 7y ago
  With half the cores of the upcoming (early 2020) 3990X ...
- yborg 7y ago
  Now there is no excuse to not Install Gentoo.
  - mastax 7y ago
    Hah! There is something cathartic about recompiling the world with -march=native even if it makes no noticable difference.
- Scuds 7y ago
  Would the best use of this CPU be in a group or multi-group build+integration server? It's $2000 for the CPU alone, so this can't be general-use.
  - disintegore 7y ago
    I also imagine it'd be useful as a rendering machine for small to medium media companies.

xbmcuser 7y ago

Here you can see some compiling benchmarks by linus tech tips. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8apEJ5Zt2s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8apEJ5Zt2s

dumpsterkid 7y ago

LinusTechTips has compile time for Mozilla Firefox as a comparative benchmark in their review video

ATsch 7y ago

This is my frustration with almost all tech sites. The AMD press deck included compilation benchmarks, but the only others to reliably provide them are Phoronix.

agumonkey 7y ago
There's a void to film then.
close04 7y ago
Most reviewers don't bother doing compile benchmarks because they're not as familiar with them and perhaps they don't come in the same "canned" form as every other gaming benchmark. It may also be that each site caters to a particular audience. On the other hand bench results have to be comparable and relevant (in time). Which is easy when you run the same still widely played GTA V year after year on every new CPU. But comparing compilation time for kernel version 3.11 (released at the same time as GTA V) seems a lot less relevant today.
- ATsch 7y ago
  Maybe this would change if someone would pre-package a build environment with source code, a nice gui and fancy abstract visualization of the compile process.
  - vlovich123 7y ago
    Phoronix does this already AFAIK. https://github.com/phoronix-test-suite/phoronix-test-suite https://github.com/phoronix-test-suite/phoronix-test-suite
    - ATsch 7y ago
      Phoronix does do this, but it's unfortunately harder to use than would be required for wide adoption in the press. It really has to be as simple as downloading an exe that pops up a window with a "go" button when run, and has to show some nice things happening on screen. Game and graphics benchmarks do this, so that's what they use.

gowld 7y ago

Anandtech is a site for benchmark fanbois, not shopping for compute value.

undersuit 7y ago

"Also, our compile test seems to have broken itself when we used Windows 10 1909, and due to travel we have not had time to debug why it is no longer working. We hope to get this test up and running in the new year, along with an updated test suite." So there's that. I'd give them a break with the fact they also had to produce the review for Intel's launch on the same day: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15039/the-intel-core-i9-10980xe-review https://www.anandtech.com/show/15039/the-intel-core-i9-10980...