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Why are you a better person to make these judgments than the people it actually affects? When you start making rules for/against certain activities "for their

Why are you a better person to make these judgments than the people it actually affects? When you start making rules for/against certain activities "for their own good", you need to be extremely circumspect, especially when these are consenting adults. Just because you feel strongly about something being bad for you doesn't mean it's your place to make the call for someone else.

bitL 7y ago
I am not doing judgment, I am trying to prevent consequences like these: https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-49757600 https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-49757600 This was linked in the original article. Do you have any better solution? I personally know two originally fashion models I had photoshoots with that later turned to porn and subsequently to escorting and now they are shadows of their former selves and I don't think they will make it through the next 5 years. If you didn't see what happened to them you probably could be indifferent or be even "enjoying it".
- appleflaxen 7y ago
  yes I do: let adults make their own decisions. if you feel that strongly about it, then spend your free time educating people about it. but activities which don't affect anyone but the individuals who are choosing to participate should not be regulated by the state. the article you linked has a tragic outcome, but I suspect you're not in favor of ending military service, law enforcement, long-haul trucking, underwater welding, or working in an oil field (all of which have meaningful risks). Let's pass laws to keep industries safe, but it's hypocritical to prohibit one of these and not the others based on some paternalistic notion of what's best for the individuals involved. * I think your last paragraph was an edit, and I'm sorry about your friends' experience. It sounds genuinely terrible. But without more detail it's impossible to speak to those circumstances. There are people in all walks of life who are predatory, and the individuals have to be protected by the law when they say "no!", but it's an overreach to say that because some people wish they said "no" when they didn't then we need to prevent others who might have been happy with that choice from having the option. By that reasoning, we would have to ban all employment, because a boss manipulated you into trading your youth for a dead-end job at $15/hour.
  - shademaan 7y ago
    You're not accounting for the fact that (so) many porn performers are victims of sex trafficking, coerced into doing porn when not even or barely 18, and/or unable to escape the profession (because they fear for their safety, or the fact that they are unhireable into many professions with only porn on their resumes). They're not the ones making a decision at all and what I describe is exceedingly common.
    - bitL 7y ago
      Unfortunately, many of them do it on their own without any external influence, even coming from good families, consider it exciting and are proud of it. Rebellious teenager phase (exploration/exploitation), not realizing what's the likely outcome, then coping with consequences using drugs/alcohol/crazy behavior later when their beauty disappears. It should be regulated the same way as alcohol consumption and every effort made to prevent kids and susceptible teenagers from finding it online if we want any kind of good future for kids.

bitL 7y ago

I am not doing judgment, I am trying to prevent consequences like these: https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-49757600 https://www.bbc.com/news/newsbeat-49757600 This was linked in the original article. Do you have any better solution? I personally know two originally fashion models I had photoshoots with that later turned to porn and subsequently to escorting and now they are shadows of their former selves and I don't think they will make it through the next 5 years. If you didn't see what happened to them you probably could be indifferent or be even "enjoying it".

appleflaxen 7y ago
yes I do: let adults make their own decisions. if you feel that strongly about it, then spend your free time educating people about it. but activities which don't affect anyone but the individuals who are choosing to participate should not be regulated by the state. the article you linked has a tragic outcome, but I suspect you're not in favor of ending military service, law enforcement, long-haul trucking, underwater welding, or working in an oil field (all of which have meaningful risks). Let's pass laws to keep industries safe, but it's hypocritical to prohibit one of these and not the others based on some paternalistic notion of what's best for the individuals involved. * I think your last paragraph was an edit, and I'm sorry about your friends' experience. It sounds genuinely terrible. But without more detail it's impossible to speak to those circumstances. There are people in all walks of life who are predatory, and the individuals have to be protected by the law when they say "no!", but it's an overreach to say that because some people wish they said "no" when they didn't then we need to prevent others who might have been happy with that choice from having the option. By that reasoning, we would have to ban all employment, because a boss manipulated you into trading your youth for a dead-end job at $15/hour.
- shademaan 7y ago
  You're not accounting for the fact that (so) many porn performers are victims of sex trafficking, coerced into doing porn when not even or barely 18, and/or unable to escape the profession (because they fear for their safety, or the fact that they are unhireable into many professions with only porn on their resumes). They're not the ones making a decision at all and what I describe is exceedingly common.
  - bitL 7y ago
    Unfortunately, many of them do it on their own without any external influence, even coming from good families, consider it exciting and are proud of it. Rebellious teenager phase (exploration/exploitation), not realizing what's the likely outcome, then coping with consequences using drugs/alcohol/crazy behavior later when their beauty disappears. It should be regulated the same way as alcohol consumption and every effort made to prevent kids and susceptible teenagers from finding it online if we want any kind of good future for kids.