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Here in the Netherlands, crime statistics are declining, but many people suspect that the real reason is that the police often refuses to register declarations

Here in the Netherlands, crime statistics are declining, but many people suspect that the real reason is that the police often refuses to register declarations (or advises against filing declarations).

shellac 7y ago
Does the Netherlands not have the equivalent of https://crimesurvey.co.uk/ https://crimesurvey.co.uk/?
- the-dude 7y ago
  No. There are only statistics originating from the police force.
- Doxin 7y ago
  I bet the dutch central office of statistics keeps track of it. But then if you don't trust the one government body why should you trust another? Personally I trust the dutch police force and in fact admire them greatly. They handle dangerous and stressful situations much better than I personally ever could. That said I do see why you'd be mistrustful as average citizen, the most you'll have to do with police is reporting crimes such as broken windows or stolen bikes, in which case you'll probably get a shrug and a "we'll look into it" at most. The police force is currently very well trained and adequately supplied, but as is the story in many places budget cuts are being made all over and I worry for the future. In any case an independent research office looking into the crime stats wouldn't be a bad thing, but I suspect it's a rather tricky thing to gauge in the first place.
  - Spoppys 7y ago
    The Crime Survey for England & Wales isn't a government body. A third way crime rates are independently checked in the UK, is hospital admissions statistics for shootings and stabbings.
  - the-dude 7y ago
    Police stations are closed en masse. Police has been in reorganisation since forever. Personnel is over-extended to the point they are contemplating strikes.
    - Doxin 7y ago
      > Police stations are closed en masse. I can't find any info on that for the dutch police, do you have a source? > Police has been in reorganisation since forever. Personnel is over-extended to the point they are contemplating strikes. Yep. And it's getting worse. For now it's all still operating well enough but we're at an inflection point for sure.
      - the-dude 7y ago
        https://www.rtlz.nl/algemeen/binnenland/artikel/4394841/politiebureau-verdwijnt-uit-het-straatbeeld-bijna-200-bureaus https://www.rtlz.nl/algemeen/binnenland/artikel/4394841/poli... Are you actually living in NL?
        Doxin 7y ago
        Yes I do live in The Netherlands. Excuse me for not remembering a year old news item that didn't have any direct impact on me. Thanks for the source, closing police stations is definitely not a good sign. I hope that that's a trend that has reversed since that news article came out.
Mirioron 7y ago
But even if the police acts that way, do you think that they didn't do the same in the past?
nikanj 7y ago
In Vancouver, it's widely agreed that reporting to VPD is an utter waste of time. You only file a police report if you need one for insurance.

shellac 7y ago

Does the Netherlands not have the equivalent of https://crimesurvey.co.uk/ https://crimesurvey.co.uk/?

the-dude 7y ago
No. There are only statistics originating from the police force.
Doxin 7y ago
I bet the dutch central office of statistics keeps track of it. But then if you don't trust the one government body why should you trust another? Personally I trust the dutch police force and in fact admire them greatly. They handle dangerous and stressful situations much better than I personally ever could. That said I do see why you'd be mistrustful as average citizen, the most you'll have to do with police is reporting crimes such as broken windows or stolen bikes, in which case you'll probably get a shrug and a "we'll look into it" at most. The police force is currently very well trained and adequately supplied, but as is the story in many places budget cuts are being made all over and I worry for the future. In any case an independent research office looking into the crime stats wouldn't be a bad thing, but I suspect it's a rather tricky thing to gauge in the first place.
- Spoppys 7y ago
  The Crime Survey for England & Wales isn't a government body. A third way crime rates are independently checked in the UK, is hospital admissions statistics for shootings and stabbings.
- the-dude 7y ago
  Police stations are closed en masse. Police has been in reorganisation since forever. Personnel is over-extended to the point they are contemplating strikes.
  - Doxin 7y ago
    > Police stations are closed en masse. I can't find any info on that for the dutch police, do you have a source? > Police has been in reorganisation since forever. Personnel is over-extended to the point they are contemplating strikes. Yep. And it's getting worse. For now it's all still operating well enough but we're at an inflection point for sure.
    - the-dude 7y ago
      https://www.rtlz.nl/algemeen/binnenland/artikel/4394841/politiebureau-verdwijnt-uit-het-straatbeeld-bijna-200-bureaus https://www.rtlz.nl/algemeen/binnenland/artikel/4394841/poli... Are you actually living in NL?
      - Doxin 7y ago
        Yes I do live in The Netherlands. Excuse me for not remembering a year old news item that didn't have any direct impact on me. Thanks for the source, closing police stations is definitely not a good sign. I hope that that's a trend that has reversed since that news article came out.

Mirioron 7y ago

But even if the police acts that way, do you think that they didn't do the same in the past?

nikanj 7y ago

In Vancouver, it's widely agreed that reporting to VPD is an utter waste of time. You only file a police report if you need one for insurance.