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Apply an ai like this with more detections to a typical instagram „models“ stream and you‘ll see that almost all pictures are altered. This could maybe be a goo

by tpetry 7y ago

Apply an ai like this with more detections to a typical instagram „models“ stream and you‘ll see that almost all pictures are altered. This could maybe be a good wakeup call for the young generation which is seeing the bodies as problematic because they are not as perfect as other people on instagram

adrianN 7y ago
/r/instagramreality is a mildly amusing collection of examples where the photoshopping is way overdone.
maeln 7y ago
It is usually more insidious than that. Almost everybody know that Instagram picture are heavily altered, it doesn't prevent us from building an image in our head of what we "should" look like.
mosselman 7y ago
It would be a great idea to legally force social networks to automatically apply this kind of AI and show the results in the feed for the reasons you mentioned.
- brokenkebab 7y ago
  Why stop here? Let's legally forbid makeup. Think about tone-evening creams, for example, what they do to truth!
  - mosselman 7y ago
    Clear strawman fallacy here. I did not say 'forbid'. I said that it should be made clear that the images are doctored. Besides, there is a big difference between make-up, that anyone could theoretically apply to look like someone in real-life and what people use photoshop for in the images we are talking about.
    - brokenkebab 7y ago
      I would call it reductio ad absurdum. But that's not the point as I wasn't refuting any arguments you made (you didn't any), but making fun of what I see as a knee-jerk reaction of calling for a new law on every minor occasion. Btw, your final para: do you mean that only privileged people can apply "beatification" effects on their phitos? FWIW make-up is much more expensive.
- fbi-director 7y ago
  After a week - at most - none of the millions of users sees the "photoshopped image" anymore, it'll become ubiquitous. Mostly due to the fact that each and every image will have that label / text
- Nasrudith 7y ago
  How about starting with making a plug in app first before rushing to legislate imaginary problems which are by definition poorly understood? It brings to mind the cloning bans based on Hollywood logic where they assume clones have all memories and the same exact scars and birthmarks.
Aozi 7y ago
Not just heavily altered, posing and lighting play a huge role as well. Here's a good example https://www.reddit.com/r/Instagramreality/comments/ciw4a3/dont_be_fooled_by_fake_before_after_posts/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Instagramreality/comments/ciw4a3/do... Or just look at someone like Chessie King https://www.instagram.com/chessiekingg/ https://www.instagram.com/chessiekingg/ You don't need to edit photos to give an unrealistic image of how your body is. You just need to know some basics of posing, angles and lighting. The same applies to men as well https://www.reddit.com/r/Instagramreality/comments/djvv1b/thought_you_guys_would_be_interested_in_the_level/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Instagramreality/comments/djvv1b/th... So while obviously edits are a huge issue with body image. It's very important to understand that when you look at almost any IG picture, whether it is altered or not, you're most likely looking at the best possible aspects of the person that they specifically chose to show. You're only seeing the best parts of someone while comparing them to your worst parts. And when every single picture is specifically crafted to only show the best parts, you'll get a very unrealistic idea on what the person actually really looks like.
- grawprog 7y ago
  One day I was sitting on the bus. There was someone in front of me crafting an Instagram post, then somebody else in front of them just chilling listening to music not paying attention to anyone or anything. I watched while the person in front of me took a few different selfies from a couple angles, added some filters then sit there crafting a tale about dude in front who was doing absolutely nothing, don't even think he noticed anyone else at all on the bus, and how he'd said something to her and her selfie was the reaction. It took a bit of time too. She thought about it, edited it and changed it a bunch. It was some effort. All just crafted to get reaction. It was entirely fabricated, not a single thing was true about the post. Then I watched while she eagerly refreshed checked ever 15 seconds for likes and sympathetic comments. It was kind of funny to watch, but sad at the same time. I can't understand such a strong need for validation that you'd do such a thing.

by tpetry 7y ago

adrianN 7y ago

/r/instagramreality is a mildly amusing collection of examples where the photoshopping is way overdone.

maeln 7y ago

It is usually more insidious than that. Almost everybody know that Instagram picture are heavily altered, it doesn't prevent us from building an image in our head of what we "should" look like.

mosselman 7y ago

It would be a great idea to legally force social networks to automatically apply this kind of AI and show the results in the feed for the reasons you mentioned.

brokenkebab 7y ago
Why stop here? Let's legally forbid makeup. Think about tone-evening creams, for example, what they do to truth!
- mosselman 7y ago
  Clear strawman fallacy here. I did not say 'forbid'. I said that it should be made clear that the images are doctored. Besides, there is a big difference between make-up, that anyone could theoretically apply to look like someone in real-life and what people use photoshop for in the images we are talking about.
  - brokenkebab 7y ago
    I would call it reductio ad absurdum. But that's not the point as I wasn't refuting any arguments you made (you didn't any), but making fun of what I see as a knee-jerk reaction of calling for a new law on every minor occasion. Btw, your final para: do you mean that only privileged people can apply "beatification" effects on their phitos? FWIW make-up is much more expensive.
fbi-director 7y ago
After a week - at most - none of the millions of users sees the "photoshopped image" anymore, it'll become ubiquitous. Mostly due to the fact that each and every image will have that label / text
Nasrudith 7y ago
How about starting with making a plug in app first before rushing to legislate imaginary problems which are by definition poorly understood? It brings to mind the cloning bans based on Hollywood logic where they assume clones have all memories and the same exact scars and birthmarks.

Aozi 7y ago

Not just heavily altered, posing and lighting play a huge role as well. Here's a good example https://www.reddit.com/r/Instagramreality/comments/ciw4a3/dont_be_fooled_by_fake_before_after_posts/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Instagramreality/comments/ciw4a3/do... Or just look at someone like Chessie King https://www.instagram.com/chessiekingg/ https://www.instagram.com/chessiekingg/ You don't need to edit photos to give an unrealistic image of how your body is. You just need to know some basics of posing, angles and lighting. The same applies to men as well https://www.reddit.com/r/Instagramreality/comments/djvv1b/thought_you_guys_would_be_interested_in_the_level/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Instagramreality/comments/djvv1b/th... So while obviously edits are a huge issue with body image. It's very important to understand that when you look at almost any IG picture, whether it is altered or not, you're most likely looking at the best possible aspects of the person that they specifically chose to show. You're only seeing the best parts of someone while comparing them to your worst parts. And when every single picture is specifically crafted to only show the best parts, you'll get a very unrealistic idea on what the person actually really looks like.

grawprog 7y ago
One day I was sitting on the bus. There was someone in front of me crafting an Instagram post, then somebody else in front of them just chilling listening to music not paying attention to anyone or anything. I watched while the person in front of me took a few different selfies from a couple angles, added some filters then sit there crafting a tale about dude in front who was doing absolutely nothing, don't even think he noticed anyone else at all on the bus, and how he'd said something to her and her selfie was the reaction. It took a bit of time too. She thought about it, edited it and changed it a bunch. It was some effort. All just crafted to get reaction. It was entirely fabricated, not a single thing was true about the post. Then I watched while she eagerly refreshed checked ever 15 seconds for likes and sympathetic comments. It was kind of funny to watch, but sad at the same time. I can't understand such a strong need for validation that you'd do such a thing.