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Says who? X.org will be supported for at least the next 10 years as part of RHEL 8. Not to mention the possibility that someone other than Red Hat could continu

Says who? X.org will be supported for at least the next 10 years as part of RHEL 8. Not to mention the possibility that someone other than Red Hat could continue supporting it after that time.

bitwize 7y ago
It'll be in "hard maintenance mode" meaning bug/security fixes only. Anything new and interesting in the graphics space will be Wayland only. I also believe they intend to deprecate and then remove Xwayland from the graphics stack, at least in releases newer than some flag day in the near future, as Xorg itself is only being maintained for the sake of legacy applications.
- umanwizard 7y ago
  Ok, this is all true, but none of it is the same as "X is going away".
- fulafel 7y ago
  I can't help but think that this X deprecation talk from RH is just some chest beating to rally the troops behind Wayland, same as we used to hear from Ubuntu about Mir.
  - bitwize 7y ago
    That's how you get people to use your stuff when they would otherwise dig in their heels because "what I have is fine", "muh Unix philosophy", etc. It worked for systemd.
    - umanwizard 7y ago
      "What I have is fine" is a perfectly valid reason not to go changing things, IMO.
    - asveikau 7y ago
      Excuse me sir or madam. Firstly, X11 even in its heyday was often criticized as not being very Unix-philsophy-ish. But I don't think you make a very sophisticated argument when you mock criticism by imitating flawed speech. I'll continue to use X because I don't find it very broken. That's a problem for you? I do however have a problem when open source introduces dependencies on buggy software written by aggressive narcissists, so yeah, I'm in the anti-systemd camp, or, put myself there when it started hanging a bunch of my Debian machines at boot when they made the switch. Pulseaudio was similarly garbage.

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Says who? X.org will be supported for at least the next 10 years as part of RHEL 8. Not to mention the possibility that someone other than Red Hat could continu

by umanwizard 7y ago

Says who? X.org will be supported for at least the next 10 years as part of RHEL 8. Not to mention the possibility that someone other than Red Hat could continue supporting it after that time.

bitwize 7y ago
It'll be in "hard maintenance mode" meaning bug/security fixes only. Anything new and interesting in the graphics space will be Wayland only. I also believe they intend to deprecate and then remove Xwayland from the graphics stack, at least in releases newer than some flag day in the near future, as Xorg itself is only being maintained for the sake of legacy applications.
- umanwizard 7y ago
  Ok, this is all true, but none of it is the same as "X is going away".
- fulafel 7y ago
  I can't help but think that this X deprecation talk from RH is just some chest beating to rally the troops behind Wayland, same as we used to hear from Ubuntu about Mir.
  - bitwize 7y ago
    That's how you get people to use your stuff when they would otherwise dig in their heels because "what I have is fine", "muh Unix philosophy", etc. It worked for systemd.
    - umanwizard 7y ago
      "What I have is fine" is a perfectly valid reason not to go changing things, IMO.
    - asveikau 7y ago
      Excuse me sir or madam. Firstly, X11 even in its heyday was often criticized as not being very Unix-philsophy-ish. But I don't think you make a very sophisticated argument when you mock criticism by imitating flawed speech. I'll continue to use X because I don't find it very broken. That's a problem for you? I do however have a problem when open source introduces dependencies on buggy software written by aggressive narcissists, so yeah, I'm in the anti-systemd camp, or, put myself there when it started hanging a bunch of my Debian machines at boot when they made the switch. Pulseaudio was similarly garbage.