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I've been using Wayland full-time (via Sway) since Sway went 1.0. It's been a pretty straightforward experience. The transition took some elbow grease at firs
by frio 7y ago
I've been using Wayland full-time (via Sway) since Sway went 1.0. It's been a pretty straightforward experience. The transition took some elbow grease at first (things like getting redshift working, as the author notes), but the last time I fucked around with my graphical config was months ago. I use a display manager, so the "crashes lead to an exposed terminal" thing doesn't matter so much (I've had a total of two crashes, once when I was putsing with XWayland, video games and multi-head -- and the other when building a since-abandoned alternative to kanshi).
There are some quirks I need to spend a little more time investigating whether they're caused by Sway/Wayland or just my configuration: drag-and-dropping between windows seems to be busted, and right-click context menus that overflow their host window's boundaries aren't clickable outside those boundaries. But I mainly use the keyboard/terminal/TUIs, so I don't frequently drag and drop, and it's easy enough to right click somewhere else when the second issue occurs.
Other than that, for how I use a computer, it's been smooth sailing. I wouldn't say we're Wayland yet for general usage either, but for the group of users who are into tiling window managers, we're maybe Wayland enough for now.
- sjy 7y agoFor what it's worth, I've also noticed that right-click problem and some glitchiness with dragging and dropping.
- frio 7y agoThanks, that's useful to know :).
- colordrops 7y agoDo you share your config files publicly?
- frio 7y agoNot at this stage, but I've got them all in a git repo in Keybase. The problem is that I've had pretty sloppy discipline re: storing secrets in them (... because Keybase makes that less bad), so I'll need to put some effort in to share them.
- ColanR 7y agoI use i3 (with X11), and the last time I messed around with my graphical config was when I installed the system 18 months ago. Haven't had any issues even close to what you're describing, much less the screen tearing that I have never seen in my last 10 years of linux.
- frio 7y agoLike I said, getting started took some elbow grease, but as a daily driver on my personal and professional machines, Sway's never once crashed or behaved poorly. I no longer need to tinker with it or worry about it; hence, I believe that for the collection of people willing to hammer at something a bit when they first pick it up, Wayland's in an OK space.
- ColanR 7y agoYou described several crashes and a number of bugs, above, which is what I was responding to. Even from your generous assessment of Wayland/Sway, it seems like my X11/i3 system is more robust and stable.
- michaelmrose 7y agoYou actually mentioned several deal breakers would you recommend stuff to friends that would convince them Linux is weird and broken?
- frio 7y agoI run NixOS on all my machines and either use Proton or VFIO to boot Windows when I want to game now. No, I wouldn't recommend the way I use computers to friends and family ;). For the Hacker News crowd who are likely willing to tilt at technical windmills once in a while, however, Sway no longer has a high bar to entry, and I use it all day professionally and personally without worrying about it.
- michaelmrose 7y agoI just play native games. This involves clicking the launcher icon on steam.